Is NodeJS Doomed in 2021?

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[xA]

Any language can fall victim to poorly-skilled programmers.

[reinoob]

A node project is not supposed to have so much dependencies, you have to plan on how you divide it in microservices and design your server side. Node made my life much easier.

[o]

I actually find Node pretty simple and neat. I used to use Django before, but django breaks all the time. Even the documentation breaks with the incorrect versions.

[jayk]

They said a lot of the same things about PHP a few years ago. It's part of the language popularity curve.

[kodee]

I'd say PHP+Laravel, java+spring, nodejs+Nest are all fairly equivalent options in what they achieve. Spring needs no introduction, Nest provides a lot of the architectural decisions already and is heavily inspired by spring. From my experience, a lot of tech debt gets accumulated in nodejs express projects from bad architecture that leaves it needing to be heavily refactored.

[JohnUSA]

We phased out PHP and ported everything to Node. Best thing we ever did. One of the things not mentioned here is that Node runs much faster, so we can run the same amount of users on fewer servers, saving a lot of operational $.

[AgentZeroNine]

Node.js (or any server side language/runtime) being used by a dev without the appropriate pattern and/or architecture knowledge will always be trash. Third party package and framework addicts typically tend to not be the ones who learn patterns and/or architecture.

[samyakjain]

Node isn't going anywhere. At the end of the day, it's really a simple choice, you have a variety of frameworks and languages to choose from depending on the skillet and the project requirements.
If you are building low level functionalities why would you go with Node? Even Node packages use C++ for lower level implementations.
But what Node provides is the ability to create backend apps that scale. I am personally maintaining 2 Node projects, where one of them is Typescript based and it does offer a lot of value during development to catch silly errors.
Again, it boils down to the choice you make. The specifics of what you chose will not matter over a period of time.

[owainharris]

I really like Node, I think Deno will have a good future (long run), as it addresses many of the issues Node has.

[AwakeningofAI]

I've been working with Nodejs for years and I haven't had problems with maintaining the repos nor did I run into such nightmares.

[jibkas]

I'm using PHP since 2003. Over the years PHP pitted against every tech out there and declared dead in the next couple of years. It was PHP vs PEARL in the beginning, then PHP vs Microsoft Active Server Pages (ASP not .NET), PHP vs JSP, and the list go on and on. Instead of dying PHP is becoming stronger every year. Choosing PHP and sticking to it was a good decision back then, still is.

BTW do ASP, JSP and PEARL still exist in 2021? Please let me know, thanks.

[johnpetras]

Are you able to be more specific about what's wrong with the package management? I personally really enjoy using nodejs. Been using it server side for about 6 months and it's pretty neat.

[parikshitrawat]

I don't think node.js is that bad. I mean it's just a runtime environment not a full fledged language, so compared to something like PHP, java, C# it'd definitely suck big time😅. But if you're working on a full stack js project which isn't too back-end heavy, not having to switch between languages for same project is a relief imo.

Again not trying to defend or attack node.js. I think it just has it's pros and cons.

[lisovyy]

Any tool is a mess in the hands of messy developer. Period.
I'm saying it after doing commercial Nodejs development for 5 years by now and releasing a bunch of successfull eneterprise level applications.

[MaxPicAxe]

The problems with Node is really about programmers' architecture. I've always cared significantly about my architecture and therefore I write modular JavaScript code that doesn't suffer from these issues, even to to extent where my code doesn't depend on node.js directly. (I use full dependency injection). So you definitely can't blame JavaScript for anything, and there is a limited amount of blame you can put on Node, because even if it is hell, developers should be good enough at architecture at this point where they don't tie themselves into these issues.

[nick_jacob]

I think you're better off learning Java and C#. 80k jobs in Java, 40k in C#. But, I really don't like these languages. I also think Node hasn't been around long enough to really improve. I am learning it now and sometimes I want to go back to PHP. I will just keep learning and growing in both + Java.

[davidconnelly]

I've been using Node JS for about four years. I use it every day. Hate it. NPM is broken and it gets rewritten every ten minutes. When I use Node, I feel like I'm trapped in a bad marriage.

[imorganmarshall]

When I first starting learning to code, I learned a lot of Node.js, but had no idea what I was doing, even though it was working. Then after learning some php, most of the nodejs stuff made a lot more sense. I really like php and I feel like its really helped me learn other languages faster.

[designcoded]

if you want clean clear documented framework use nest js it does the job build on top of node js

[LambrosHatzinikolaou]

I followed job listings for backend web development in Greece, and Germany for a period of ten weeks just out of curiosity. Roughly 80% of the jobs are about PHP (Laravel, Symfony, WordPress, etc). Just saying...