Are TF2 players...entitled?

[Recorded in early June] I originally intended this as a response to the FixTF2 discourse, but Valve unexpectedly decided to address the bot problem. Still, I feel that the overall message of this video is worth sharing.

[Red_Hatkins]

This is the closest we'll ever get to a 'Never Ever' on Team Fortress 2, and honestly?

It was worth the wait.

[tsunderemerc]

Imagine if football was ruined somehow and all football fans were just told "just go play/watch baseball instead" while NFL merchandise was actively sold and new stuff was made

[gelmibson]

Sure he isn't talkin about Titanfall 2

[BeastlyMussel]

Last time we gave em some slack, we got 7 years of neglect

[TheWhatShow]

TF2 is old bro you should just move on to a newer better game like generic 5v5 comp hero shooter #45

[Silverfox_]

I think another thing to add to the problem is how some TF2 fans are too quick to say "Valve fixed TF2" when a new fix update comes out.
It won't take long for Bot hosters to find a workaround and we see more sniperbots, but hey guys we got the MF DOOM hat!

The game needs constant support not a glance and bandaid solution

[Whomobile]

Hearing TF2 being called a "Hero Shooter" gives me whiplash

[flareonguy]

The kinda people who say "just play a new game" are the kinda people to buy an EA sports game, open hundreds of dollars worth of lootboxes, then next year buy the new version where none of their microtransactions carry over.

[inky-hi]

Fun fact: the closest clone of tf2 we ever had was “plants vs zombies: garden warfare”. It have payload and you can play multiple classes that also have multiple different abilities also cosmetics options. For example: peashooter haves the plasma pea with a different shooting mechanics and different stats

[Jontohil]

I’m okay with never getting major updates again like we used to, they’ve moved on to other things, that’s cool. I just want the game to be maintained in a playable state, and as of the past month, they’ve actually been doing the well.

Solving the bot issue isn’t simple, and while we don’t know exactly how they’ve done it (which is a good thing) it’s safe to assume that it took a good amount of time to develop. As long as they keep on top of it, I’m happy.

I also find it really funny how a bunch of people started going off that we’re just whining and nothing will happen, someone even used my thumbnail in one of their memes for it. But now we can point and laugh at the fools they made out of themselves.

[Uber_Rush]

TF2 is a relic from a bygone era of the internet that is hard to find these days in any other online space and its why I love it

[Tabby]

A fundamental issue that will always haunt gaming is cheaters, and you can only do so much against cheaters when they first arrive.

However what valve let happen was incredibly negligent and they don't really bother enforcing their rules on VAC until now. We need to hold ALL games to a better standard.

[superstar]

These people will go insane when Counter Strike ends up suffering the same fate

[TheJoeWhoSoldTheWorld]

if minecraft had a similar problem that made it unplayable i doubt anyone would've been against "FixMinecraft"

[limecatcher]

we're entitled to a functional game as much as a car owner is entitled to a functional car

[arghpee]

TF2 deserves a Never ever. But I'll take this

[USERWASBANNED]

You are the ONLY other person (that I've seen so far) say this. The issue isn't that Valve "neglects" TF2. The game is 17 years old. The issue is that they milk money out of it by leveraging a small private cabal of Discord freaks who have completely captured the TF2 Workshop and have a full monopoly of it to make crap items to extract as much money as possible with zero regard for quality and THEN neglect TF2.

If TF2 was left in the same state it was in around 2014-2016, maybe had a few EOL bugfix updates, maybe one or two weapon balance changes (Vaccinator, Wranlger) to clean it up and was left as a complete well rounded product...Then I wouldn't have any further complaints for a game this old.

Sure we have ONE contracted developer who has pushed some community fixes and wizardry from the likes of Mastercoms and Sigsegv however it seems as if a lot of content is off the table. No new weapons, no weapon balances. Purely fixes to keep the game running which feels very much like a sunsetting/emergency life support. Also something that is rarely mentioned, his contract could just not be renewed at any time Valve wants.

[therustedshank]

Bots getting banned is great and all but it should have been done like 4 years ago. Valve doesn't deserve to be fellated for finally getting off their asses to do the bare minimum that makes their game actually playable.

[dumbvillage]

In this day and age, merely being "annoying" is a cardinal sin.

People say how tf2 fans are a problem, then speak absolutely wicked things over a minor inconvenience. They might as well just wish death upon them. And quite frankly, if you wish death upon people from the slightest inconvenience - the problem lies within you and your own temper. Not the mildly annoying people.

People probably are so misinformed on the matter because Internet is enough of a shitstorm with constant drama, that no one even bothers to keep up with each one(it will drive you insane). Or alternatively something, something, peeps today are soft. something, something, i don't know.

[georgeliquor]

My issue is that TF2 is stuck in this weird limbo state where its not dead or alive, I would be cool if Valve just officially stopped supporting TF2. It would be one of those old boomer shooters with the same 40 good players. But they are still selling keys and such while the quality of the game is still awful.