Software Engineers Discuss If AI Will Replace Coders

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Intro: (0:00)
What is Devin AI?: (0:25)
Should you be concerned about Devin replacing your job?: (3:02)
Udemy Sponsor: (6:39)
Development is more than just code generation: (7:59)
AI and fear-mongering: (8:55)
AI increases your output as a developer: (10:08)
Should you give up on programming?: (11:27)
If AI replaces your job, was that time wasted?: (15:12)
How soon will AI automate programmers: (16:33)
Cognition Labs website: (18:07)
AI will improve humanity: (18:33)
No coding jobs have been replaced by AI yet: (19:00)
How to future proof your career: (20:23)
Ethics of AI: (24:40)
Final thoughts: (26:44)

[dekev]

The issue is not about the AI replacing coders, the issue is that it will give one engineer the ability to do the job of 50 coders, thus making 50 jobs redundant.

[Revolver]

A common argument is that AI won’t replace _ALL_ software engineers.

But it’s a silly argument. Of course it won’t. Yet.

But if it even replaced 20% of software engineers, that is absolutely catastrophic for the job market. Think it’s bad now? It will be worse when the supply of 20% of jobs are permanently gone.

[cody_codes_youtube]

I've been chatting non stop on my channel and it's wild. A few things that I've gathered, is that the 14% is based off only a small population of Python repositories (if you look at the SWE bench paper originally posted from Cornell). They say "solving issues from 12 popular open source Python repositories".

That's a huge red flag to me and does not represent real issue solving. I'm making this up, but I would imagine like 80% of repositories out there are private, and corporate code bases have not been explored. I feel like open source would have a better track record for documentation (because that's the easiest entry point for open source devs), so that would help Devin too.

I think Devin has a super long way to go, and also there are many outside hurdles of whether it can be adopted, especially company buy-in that would satisfy security concerns, intellectual privacy concerns, and audibility. I think those alone would be issues that prevents real adoption by 5-10 years.

[Cezary.Sylwestrzak]

You guys make me feel calmer about my future as a programmer. Thank you.

[emilyweston]

8:55 "nobody else is fixated on AI replacing [their] job"
Artists, Actors and Voice Actors, Animators, Photographers, Designers, VFX, Film Makers, Musicians, Writers and Copywriters, Editors, Content Creators in general, etc have entered the chat. (It's already happening). The outstanding litigation surrounding the training data from artists and writers? The SAG-AFTRA strike?

[yodadarkshadow]

Hey guys, really enjoy the community, thank you for organising it!

[ankansharma]

Okay why no one is questioning how they achieved 13% by running on pre existing model which just can do 4%. Answer is SWE bench mark dataset is made for AI models not for AI agents. That means its not meant for iterative improvement for a problem by multiple prompts and debugging.
There is video by Volo. Check out his video. He explains it well.

[FortuneGodstar]

Honestly you guys should make a podcast... It would be absolutely future proof... Amazing and will inspire and attract a lot of talents to and for your future companies

[marioherrerajr]

It is just like self-checkout in where one person is only supervising what maybe 8 or 10 people used to do!

[KevinNaughtonJr]

a good conversation with good friends :')

[Omer]

Tech workers are their own worst enemies. You automated/coded yourselves out of a job. And Devin is just the first iteration of these things. More advanced versions will get developed

[DWS-]

Someone say AI will replace everyone's job, that is mostly come from AI's creator, their main purpose is actually to get more funding, so they talked about this replacement in public in a purpose of attracting investors. Investors may be easily get influenced to pay more, to invest more on the AI product in order to get rid of developers that cost the majority of the investor's money. Because of the notion they get from AI's creator, they pay more on AI products and then they pay less on developers. Whatever the AI product produce whether it is a success or failure, they will think it later, but the first thing they want is to do cost cutting.

[randotkatsenko]

Many points, but about you not seeing anyone "replacing" programmers - you probably wont see it it directly in the future either, because what will happen is, that existing programmers simply become more productive using AI, which means companies don't need to hire MORE programmers even if the workload increases. AI capabilities increase at the same rate. So the "replacing" part becomes more like a "we dont need to hire you due to AI".

[ThoughtfulAl]

Watching this now I feel silly sitting around in my bedroom because I don't have a little thing to hold

[YourMom-rgjk]

most fail to realize most people aren't CRUD programmers

[danakaboom]

The point is the building blocks are there now. Each step in the loop will get better. In terms of productivity, It's somewhat like replacing hand tools with power tools when building a house. There's still a lot of other work to do to create and deploy a complete system, and that work will require humans.

For now.

[Hari-urve]

i think design patters, coding skeleton code with API-names and objects/class definition with plain-english within the functions if given as requirement AI will get hold of it and code the flesh-part within the functions of what we want to do. This will speed up the Development cycles and out of 10-engineers only 2 or 3 will be required. Devin and other AI tools will cause industry shrinkage over period of 5 to 10 years... This seems unquestionable reality.

[lei]

I think it’s a commitment to learn software engineering. There are hundreds and thousands of students learning this skill as we speak. I don’t think Kelly who works in admin cares as much about robots

[REALSLIK]

To anyone just getting in the field, please don’t listen to any of these guys. It just proves that no matter how logical you think you are, it’s very difficult to remove personal bias. This is the difference between a software engineer and computer scientist; one is a job, and the other is a philosophy. Software engineers want their jobs to remain important. Computer scientists are only concerned with efficiency even if it means removing humans from the equation. He said “oh well everyone will get automated” yeah that’s the point, and we’re almost at the point where we are going to need a basic income or have a revolution. If AI can automate programmers that is very very very bad for everyone including doctors professors etc. AI is in the hands of a few very powerful corporations, why do you think they are going to hire you, to pursue your dreams? No they won’t. They will let you starve until money no longer has any value because there are no people to buy their products. So they will use AI to make their own lives better and everyone else good luck. Don’t bother trying to start a business, an AI did it last week. As a computer scientist, I look at the entire economy as a program, a broken program with many bugs, and each job is one component. The problem is the entire program sucks and needs to be rewritten with the mindset that humans are not going to have any labour value to bring to the economy. Instead we will transition to a purely attention based economy aka watching podcasts about automation, only fans, twitch etc. no followers = broke. So yes you should worry about it, choose a career that requires human intuition or human connection. Everything else will be automated. TLDR every task or job will be automated, only the attention economy will remain, who ever is popular will be rich and NPCs will be broke welcome to the NWO.

[martinlutherkingjr.]

Sounds like some hopium mixed with we cannot predict how jobs will evolve.