Don't Make This Mistake (w/ Atomos Ninja V and EOS R5/R6)

A year ago I published a video demonstrating how to setup an Atomos Ninja V with the Canon EOS R5/R6. Since then, a number of things have changed - new hardware, new firmware, and (unfortunately) a new setting that does not work correctly. Here's how to avoid getting burned!

Disclaimer: Neither Atomos nor Canon have sponsored this video, nor have they had any editorial input. I paid for everything with my own money.

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Reference Links
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Atomos Ninja V

Atomos Ninja V+

ZILR 10-bit Micro HDMI Cable (works w/ R5 and R6 with Ninja V)

Western Digital "WD Blue" SSD Drives (for Ninja V)

Atomos Ninja V Extra SSD Caddies

StarTech USB SSD Reader

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0:00 Intro
1:18 Ninja V+ and 8K ProRes RAW
2:20 5K ProRes Raw
3:22 ProRes RAW support
5:08 C-Log 3 problems
7:36 Recommended settings
8:39 What about the R5C?
10:57 Outro

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Gear Used to Create This Video
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⬇️ My C-Log to Rec.709 LUTs for the R5/R6

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[SeanMarsalis]

I have to say, you have some of the best audio on youtube. Your content is very polished. Thanks, Todd.

[DustinBairdsolo]

😩I ended up here because I just spent an entire day running people through a line like cattle for talking head interviews. I’m trying to match a c70 clog2 and R6/ninja v Clog3 and I was like what is happening here?! I can’t believe you posted this on the same day! I’m so annoyed right now but also grateful that I found this post in the same day. I can accept a catastrophe much better when I at least have an answer. Thank you! 🙏

[abdul_aziz]

Mr. Toddy

your channel needs to be pinned on all photographers/videographers' WALL.



Your audio gear is fantastic as well


You are the BEST!

[CrisisActionTeam]

What Atomos didn't tell you is that it's a problem with HDMI standards. HDMI simply does not support Canon Cinema Gamut. It's too wide a color space for the HDMI standard. 

BT2020, however, is supported by HDMI, so the Atomos Ninja, Ninja V+ and Shogun series recorders can accurately record BT2020 video because the BT2020 color space is supported by the HDMI standard. So the problem is that Canon Cinema gamut color space exceeds the HDMI standard. If you want to use wide gamut color space on your Atomos recorder via the HDMI feed, you are limited to a max color space of BT2020.

[JimboSkinner]

This is exactly what I was looking for! Important note, older Atomos firmware records BT2020 much warmer than you show here. To get the best BT2020 recording possible make sure to update your Atomos monitor.

[sergshulya]

Thanks for the tip and all other useful videos you produced!
I recently found that Canon has this quirk documented in camera manual stating that HDMI output is Rec.2020 on supported external devices, regardless of Cinema Gamut setting in camera
E.g.
Camera Cinema Gamut -> BT.2020 in Ninja
Camera BT.2020 -> BT.2020 in Ninja
Camera BT.709 -> BT.709 in Ninja

[timelinefilmsweddingevents]

Hi thanks for the BT2020 setting. I was setting the system before watching your video for a project in France by next week and now I can be aware of the wrong settings. Thanks again for your lovely tutorials cheers

[marsgizmo]

Excellent video! 
You explain things very well! 👏

[jft]

great stuff, , , love not only the content ( all your videos ) but the WAY you present it, , , your voice, ,,is,,,, awesome, ,the best !!

[OldManRunner]

Great update to a really useful Ninja V video… Thanks!

[ashstonk]

Absolutely agree on the external monitor. Plus is brighter. But plus tell us ur audio set up.

[dawidlichota]

Todd... Thank You soo much for this video. We talked about 4 months ago about this problem on instagram. I personally exchanged a lot of messages with support. Unfortunately my messages were dismissed and explained that everything was fine and maybe my ninja v is broken but it is not. Ehh.. If support see this just please take this feedback serious becouse a lot of us want use full camera gammut and clog 3. Many people buy your product for make overheating gone but gammut is broken this way.

[justincosplay]

great vid.... pretty sure you're gonna get an r5c.... its too good to pass up

[AMomentInTimeProductions]

The reason why Cinema Gamut from Clog3 looks so terrible is because Canon Made the Cinema Gamut with so many colors is that there is no HDMI cable that can Handel it, so things get lost in the translation, when it reaches the Ninja V system, so the colors are messed up.

this will be that way until some one or Atomos Develops an HDMI cable that can Handel this, or Canon Changes the Cinema Gamut to fix this..
my best advise is if your going to use the Ninja V to process your videos, is use Rec 2020..

I have the Canon R6 and will not record Internally, that is unfortunate because i would love to take advantage of the 1920X1080P 120 fps and the Cinema Gamut.

The reason i refuse to record internally is because Canon's Codec that writes to the SD cards is so compressed that when you try to edit your videos in Premier pro (which is what i use)

is that it lags so bad, it's unusable you can't playback in any smooth playback it lags so bad it's unusable.

And I'm not using a crappy Computer system, i'm using a Intel I9 with a Nvidia RTX 3080 Video card, now i have edited 8K 60fps Raw file from RED system camera with no problem, but even a 4k30p canon internal recorded video sucks editing you would have to start writing proxies, and that is a pain i will not do that..

So Hopefull all these issues are fixed if canon works on their codec system and comes out with a firmware for it, i will be happy to start recording internally..
But as of now, forget it, it's too bad too because i would have loved to do some 120p slow motion footage but, it's not in the cards right now, no pun intended LOL

[wilismatrix]

I just bought a normal monitor that have fals colors ..etc and use a CF expresss card and it works great. You can edit RAW easily in both premiere pro and resolve, there is no need to ninja monitor that costs a thousand dollars and not supported anymore !

[zach.sorensen]

Great video man, appreciate all the info and details! Cheers!

[MikeMena]

I totally agree with recording self with external monitor. I think I would use a monitor even with the R5c... I also just got bad vision in general, so I usually got a monitor RIGHT NEXT TO ME. I don't think I could go back. Wow, what a coincidence, I just recorded/uploaded a video yesterday and forgot to try cinema gamut via Ninja V! Good thing I forgot!! lol

[philippebarbosa]

Hi ! Does anyone knows if the CLOG3 + Cinema Gamut Atomos internal recording issue has been fixed since this video ? Thanks 🙏

[macchoudhry]

Is this information on Cinema gambit still accurate? I’d like to know as I am using the ninjav+ with the canon R5 and wanted to make sure if I need to make these changes or maybe update the firmware on myninja V+ if it’s out of date, which I don’t think it is

[Oscariver]

great video. are you still using legalize?