What is the Truth about Tartaria

The Kings and Generals animated historical documentary series on Mongol History continues with a video debunking the Tartaria Conspiracy theory as we will tell you what is the truth about this myth.

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[sankarchaya]

When you mentioned how people today often talk about "Africa" to refer to the continent as a whole, it made me think of how in 300 years there will be a conspiracy theory about how Africa was one big country based on how people talk about it on social media

[elbentos]

As a matter of joke, I would add that if UK had been at war 200 years ago with the mighty Empire of Tartary, Napoleonic France would have actually allied with Tartary.

[jakobs.family.computer]

You start off by looking for a nice tartar sauce recipe and next thing you know you're done rabbit hole

[Isylon]

Hungarian historiography refers to the Mongolian invasion of the country in 1241-42 as "Tatárjárás" which roughly means the "Ravaging of Tartars"

[ezrapark]

2021: Bro all Asians are not Chinese
1321: Bro all Asians are not Tartars

[tylergames]

I decided to watch this, despite its 666k views and my better judgement. And then opened up a fortune cookie that I had on the table, to find no fortune. I can't decide how I feel about all this. Its just happening so fast....

[audrisampson]

I'm pretty sure if Britian eliminated a massive Empire taking up most of Asia they wouldn't have kept quiet on it.

[Liquidsback]

Everyone knows that Big Toothpaste erased Greater Tataria.

[ajrobbins]

I appreciate the mention of Siber becoming "Siberia" and implying vast swaths of subarctic north Eurasia.

[albertgreene]

This myth is new to me, but by the gods, between this, all the rest, and the “rome didn’t exist” thing… I’m so fucking exhausted

[PASTRAMIKick]

lol years ago my Mexican grandma told me something about "Great Tartaria", I read and watch a lot about history and had never heard about a "great tartar" empire, so that conversation didn't go very far. It's just until now that I know what she was talking about.

[SB_McCollum]

Sounds complicated, but never mind all that, I just wanted to say that News from Tartary, by Peter Fleming, is a fantastic account of a trip he made thru the region in 1935. You’ll have to keep your history hat on, 90 years ago is another universe now, but it’s cracking good read. I enjoyed every minute, I don’t think I’ve enjoyed a book so much since I was a little kid.

[Xenofer]

Funnily enough. In my history classes when we were learning about Mongols, their names were interchangeable and often changed with tatars. And i remember distinctly whenever i was talking about mongols with my grandmother she only called them tatars :)

[peteroderic]

Can Kings and Generals do a documentary on Prester John the legendary Christian monarch of the East?
Much Thanks.

[mahtoosacks]

A tiktok commenter brought me here, and im glad that you put this up. Told me to research tartaria and the muflood, like i was supposed to know what that meant. These people just dont stop

[tcb]

It's not hard to envision the Bolsheviks wanting to twist and rewrite history...

[daviddonoso]

Looking at the comments basically echoing your position I hope this doesn't get unnecesary hate.

I actually was hoping more scholarly information to look more into the topic but frankly these talking points are not enough to debunk any of the public issue.

There is a confirmed Tartarian cover up mentioned on a CIA declassified file from 1957. I actually can provide the direct link to the original CIA website to whoever asks. It literally says "Tatarian history was to be revised... let us be clear it was to be rewritten".

To what extents the cover up has altered the history as we know it I believe has not been really understood and this video just feels like someone that wanted to generate content and get their channel going.

Word analysis on historical sources show a spike with a clear gap supressing the word Tartary starting from the XX all the way back to the XV century. The spike shows there was a clear extraction of the word Tartary for hundreds of years.

There is in fact more evidence of Tartary prior to these dates. Examining the unpublished works of John Dee's historical research there are instances were Tartary is mentioned, but only titles live were a Presbiter John from Tartary is mentioned and more of the cultural aspects could've been found on the fourth volume of Famous Discoveries but the crown was not interested in these ever seeing light. There was a geographical location, there were people, the sources might never be disclosed due to how tied they are to preserving state interests, or maybe we could figure it out if we all actively ask for it we just don't know. But til we organize ourselves, we the viewers are just left to fight YouTube experts who have no interests other than breeding echo chambers like this comment section. All I know is that if people align themselves to actually try to articulate their interest in a thoughtful manner we'll be on a better spot.

Not wanting to hate just thinking these are not counterarguments that can deny a CIA confirmed cover up that interested non-other than the frigging soviets who are historically famous for lying to advance their interests. (If anyone needs context, the CIA intel mentions that it got scholars and scientists to work on the cover up) so yes silly me thinking I can find anything on YouTube but also silly those who think these debunkers are up to date on what they claim to know

This is denser than what the average person's attention span might be able to digest.

[aaronmarks]

Apparently there are several etymologies of "Tartar/tartar" in English:

Lower-case "tartar": From Old French tartre, from Medieval Latin tartarum, from Byzantine Greek τάρταρον (tártaron), said to be from Arabic دُرْدِيّ‎ (durdiyy), though it is already found in Pelagonius’s Ars veterinaria 46 in the adjective tartarālis, if the reading is correct.
"1 - A red compound deposited during wine making; mostly potassium hydrogen tartrate - a source of cream of tartar."
"2 - A hard yellow deposit on the teeth."

Upper-case "Tartar": From Old French Tartaire, from Medieval Latin Tartarus (“Tartar, Mongol”), from Old Turkic [script needed] (Tatar), spelling influenced by Latin Tartarus (“Hell (in Greek mythology)”), from Ancient Greek Τάρταρος (Tártaros).
"1 - Alternative spelling of Tatar"
"2 - A member of the various tribes and their descendants of Tartary, such as Turks, Mongols and Manchus."

For "Tatar":
"A person belonging to one of several Turkic, Tatar-speaking ethnic groups in Eastern Europe, Russia and Central Asia."
"Tatar became a name for populations of the former Golden Horde in Europe, such as those of the former Kazan, Crimean, Astrakhan, Qasim and Siberian Khanates. The form Tartar has its origins in either Latin or French, coming to Western European languages from Turkish and the Persian language (tātār, "mounted messenger"). From the beginning, the extra r was present in the Western forms and according to the Oxford English Dictionary this was most likely due to an association with Tartarus. The Persian word is first recorded in the 13th century in reference to the hordes of Genghis Khan and is of unknown origin, according to OED "said to be" ultimately from tata. The Arabic word for Tatars is تتار. Tatars themselves wrote their name as تاتار‎ or طاطار‎. Tatar is usually used to refer to the people, but Tartar has since come to refer to derived terms such as tartar sauce, steak tartare and the Tartar missile. All Turkic peoples living within the Russian Empire were named Tatar (as a Russian exonym). Some of these populations still use Tatar as a self-designation, others do not."

[joshualieberman]

Great Tartaria we’re found by our Slavic ancestors like Perun that descended in their spaceships and gave us three tripes tracksuits and the superior ability to squat and not giving a f. about anything!

[Qranz]

The Europeans Calling a big Part of Asia "Tartaria" is Like the Romans calling a big Part of Europe Germania.