One, Holy, BAPTIST, and Apostolic Church??

Some representatives of the Southern Baptist Convention announced that they're going to push for the SBC to officially adopt the Nicene Creed. Creeds are necessary but can Baptists actually affirm the Nicene Creed in good faith? Joe Heschmeyer addresses this question and more in today's episode of Shameless Popery.

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[andrewpearson]

They’d better be careful introducing the Nicene Creed into their services, they don’t know who will take it to heart. When I was sixteen my parents’ Methodist church started reciting it, and I was thrown for a loop to learn that they were supposed to believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Four years later I was Catholic

[sivad]

It never sat right with me as a Presbyterian that we affirmed all the early creeds but made no attempt to reconsile with the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. And that became much more glaring after reading Ireneaus' perspective on apostolic succession. Protestants are forced to admit they agree with the creeds in text only; the intended meaning is so clearly at odds with Protestant theology

[CatholicMedic]

Joe, I've only watched the first few minutes so far but I was eager to click when I saw the notification of your video with this title.

I'm not even 10 minutes in and you're talking about so many things I saw as a reformed Baptist before coming home to the Catholic Church. We, as reformed Baptists (at least at my particular church) would confess the Apostles or Nicene creed every Sunday as part of the service. Our pastor and elders changed the words of the Nicene creed to "one, holy, CHRISTIAN, and apostolic church" and "we confess one baptism SIGNIFYING the forgiveness of sins". Once I started to dive into Catholicism more in more, I realized how crazy this was and out of line with the historic church. Definitely pushed me closer to the Catholic Church (and I praise God that it did). Feels good to be home and to know that I can with a clear conscious and full sincerity confess the original creed.

[samtatge]

New Catholic here. I stopped paying attention to Protestants It’s just easier.

[NIA-]

When I was a Reformed Baptist, and after that Presbyterian, and after that, Lutheran, the Nicene Creed always became a huge issue in moving me away from their false positions, which one would have to engage in cognitive dissonance to recite them in good faith. As a Catholic, I never have to engage in such dissonance.

[tonyl]

Love how the video implicitly highlights the inherent division in Protestantism and shows the way forward to unity, not just among Christians today but also with our fathers in the faith.

[nionashborn]

I sent this to a protestant friend, and today he said he's considering conversion

[TheThreatenedSwan]

If they were to adopt it, they would just shift the semantics to agree with their existing beliefs rather than shift their existing beliefs to what the writers of the creed meant

[kentadamson]

Great Video! Studying the creeds was one aspect that helped me in converting from Protestantism to Catholicism. Between what the creed itself says, coupled with the fact that it was written in councils it sounds purely Catholic. The creed is a witness to the true Catholic faith that Christians throughout every generation have affirmed.

[Godfrey]

10/10 video! This whole argument has been on my mind for a while. Every time I i see a church with baptist theology have the creeds on their website (to seem more orthodox/traditional) I get frustrated, knowing the dishonest reinterpretations that are taking place

[jonw]

As a former baptist, I knew that a reinterpretation of "universal" would be the most passable workaround, but I knew even more that serious gymnastics would have to occur around "I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sin."

I suppose it could only be accepted if it meant one "baptism" (with heavy air-quotes) which is "for" the remission of sins - but at that point, why bother?

[shellbackbeau]

Remember Joe, when it comes to puns and dad jokes, it's the quantity that makes the quality!

[lewenohen]

Giving you double thumbs up, with my arms wide open

[sproutfire]

Around the 13 minute mark, Joe, you had me clapping my hands in agreement. Don't redefine the Creed with your own interpretations. Bravo, Sir!

[thecatechumen]

That Berkhof quote is great! I wish I had it when I made my last response video to Ortlund.

[mariatr]

I hope this doesn't come off as snarky, but it seems weird for them to essentially say "We've just now realized (~1700 years later) this profession of faith from the early church should define our beliefs". Especially with the assertion that's sometimes made about being the early church/ church read about in Acts.

I'm not versed on the history of the SBC though.

[PamTecklenburg]

This one is worthy of another listen. Thanks for covering this topic.

[lynngraham]

Excellent as always. Great historical evidence.

[josephc]

Another great instalment. Keep 'em coming!

[priestsfortherestorationof]

Catholic means Universal, that is to believe ALL that Jesus taught. Protestants, well, protest.