The Aryan Invasion Debate

In this podcast, Kushal speaks with Koenraad Elst and Niraj Rai about the recent updates around the Aryan Invasion Theory. In light of the recent findings of the Southern Arc papers can we still conclude that South Russia is the Proto-Indo-European homeland?

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Twitter: @ElstKoenraad
Twitter: @NirajRai3

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00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:20 - The proto indo european homeland
00:04:03 - the South Russain homeland
00:09:50 - using genetic
00:12:17 - the direction language follows
00:17:37 - The Indian Homeland
00:24:00 - Multiple Migrations
00:31:57 - Iranian Ancestry and genetics
00:41:22 - The Khichdi Culture
00:44:28 - Timelines of migration
00:51:21 - disproving OIT

[lokiasgardian]

Year 3256:
Punjabi Invasion Theory - Punjabis migrated from Brampton and Southhall
Gujarati Invasion Theory - Gujaratis migrated from New Jersey
Tamil Invasion Theory - Tamils migrated from Malaysia
Malayalis Invasion Theory - Malayalis migrated from Gulf
(And the story of invasion continues😅)

[ppchowdhury]

Apart from genetic study, another point is that Aryan Migration/ Invasion is irrelevent because it completely based on the modern map of India especially post 1947. In Mahabharata and other ancient texts the extent of Bharat/ Jamboo dwip was much much larger, and the places from where these alleged migration is said to have taken place was well within Bharat/Jamboodwip, so any type of migration is just like say a person moving from one Indian state or another, nothing more.

[rajdeeppathak]

Please use individual mics. The audio quality is very poor.

[pdeepakumar]

Feedback:If you want to convey/reach to large audience then don't compromise viewers/listeners comfort because of your own and guest comfort.

[ravinakuwar]

Aryan invasion Theory completely ignores the Geographic and Population dynamics of Indian Subcontinent.
For it to be true at least tens of thousands of people should have been involved in this act.
Moreover, they have to cross treacherous Hindu kush mountains and Afghanistan plateau without support of modern technology and logistics.

[theanonymous]

PIE has word for Elephant and Monkey and scholars also argued for Tiger all these three proves homeland in India

[RJ-isuz]

Kushal, I know Rajib Khan is your friend and you think highly of him. However, after listening to Rajib on AIT on a few channels, I do not share your view of him. Rajib is too certain of his narrative, which he builds by cherry picking a few pieces of evidence that suit his narrative. Whereas true scholars like Dr. Rai and Dr. Elst are very careful in considering all evidence, putting forward all possibilities and reaching only guarded conclusions (a hallmark of genuine scholars), Rajib is too glib and too sure of his narrative, which is often the sign of half-baked knowledge and over-confidence. I don't think a scholarly and sober conference will benefit from pompous loud mouths like Rajib.

[sanchayansarkar]

The only thing that will solve this problem is if the Indus-Valley script is discovered. At this point, it is strictly academic debate. The facts are both RigVeda and IVC are entire about Indian. As to who were the ancestors of each is irrelevant at that point from the point of view of culture. Anything before than that is mostly anthropological history and not the history of civilizations.

[DiatomAlgae]

There is NO PIE, only Proto Sanskrit.
Dhruyu, Anu, etc., were the Sanskrit speaking groups migrated out of India around 3, 000 BCE,
They may have spoken the Centum branch of Sanskrit &
Puru may have spoken the Satem branch of Sanskrit, they remained in India and further developed Sanskrit.

Dhruyu, etc., may have migrated out before the Sanskrit Alphabet was structured in the present form i.e., all Vowels in one group and Consonants in a logical order. This is why European languages have many Sanskrit words but don't have the same Alphabet.

[abhishekchakraborty]

No invasion but there are lot of evidence of migration as in older days everyone wanted to come to india

[alpeshmittal]

Fun fact : pre independence almost all political leaders believed in Aryan invasion theory and considered themselves Aryan eg Gandhi, Tilak, Nehru, savarkar, golvelkar etc only Ambedkar opposed it.

Now right wing opposes it and left believe in it.

[ppchowdhury]

Now if some body moves from Bihar to Orissa, it will not be called Bihari Migration theory, or if some Bengali to Tamil Nadu, it will not be called Bengali Invasion theory because the country is same, so what we consider foreign and domestic is vital. It will vary vastly from Europen projection/framework of our country, specially if we follow Geographical descriptions mentioned in our ancient texts.

[mikedesi]

Vedic aryans were fish eating Brahmins settlers around saraswati out of India theories need to show how so many different countries. Got Sanskrit language and how migrants moved along which routes

[Seevawonderloaf]

Love your videos but this was a bit hard to hear due to the sound quality

[anuradham]

Please do your dream conference..mind blowing 🙏🏼

[gravewalker]

Holocene time period for Indo iranian expansion fits well with harappa /Indian DNA. Whether OIT or AMT. Evidence from sumerian and indus musical instruments and their sanskrit names indicate early expansion.

[vinaySingh-nyun]

Kya podcast ke starting me jo neeraj rai sir ne drawback bataya vo south Russian homeland ka tha na na ki anatolian homeland ka ???

[Halzholic]

Horrible mic placement. Most mics have cardioid polar pattern. We are essentially hearing room echo.

[RJ-isuz]

Brilliant discussion. Much appreciate Dr. Rai and Dr. Elst for their scholarly views. While I appreciate Kushal's idea of an interdisciplinary conference, I am not sure about Dr. Elst's views on inviting the western AIT dogmatists. I do not see why the AIT dogmatists would want to engage with OIT proponents since the latter are the underdogs and the former have nothing to gain from such an engagement. The AIT dogmatists would have an incentive to speak with the OITers only when the latter reach a position of strength. Such a position of strength can be attained by setting up a parallel academic research establishment based in India, Indian Universities, Indian journals and Indian documentary and movie makers. Once the OIT gains steam in the Indian establishment, and given that India has 1.4 billion+ population and a fast growing economic might, the AIT dogmatists will be forced to come talk to the Indian scholars and the OIT theorists. Reaching such a position of strength requires strong philanthropic financial support from Indian billionaires for supporting the research, journals and public outreach. I hope some of them will be inspired enough to support such a noble cause.

[HughMann-here]

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