Jesus Miracles In Mark Disprove He's The Messiah?

Jesus Miracles In Mark Disprove He's The Messiah? James D. Tabor PhD

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Gospel of Mark is the most influential piece of literature from the ancient world. Even though Paul’s letters are written earlier, they offer us no “Jesus Story.” Mark is our earliest narrative presentation of the figure of Jesus. However, it is purposely constructed as a “riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.” And even though it is now embedded in the New Testament, it is essentially lost and forgotten.

Matthew and Luke are essentially “rewritten Mark.” These writers use Mark as their main source, but utterly deconstruct and, as a result, essentially “destroy” it. Even though they incorporate up to 80% of Mark as their core story—once edited and embedded in their narrative, Mark as Mark basically ceases to exist. In that sense it has remained “unread” for the past two millennia.

Mark is in fact a kind of anti-gospel or counter-gospel. It could even be seen as “anti-Christian.” It stands in opposition to the master narrative of the Jesus Story that becomes the heart and core of the Christian Gospel—cobbled together from Matthew, Luke, and John—and the early Christian Creeds, all of whom completely lose—and even reject—Mark’s presentation.

In this course Dr. Tabor pulls Mark out of the New Testament, strips it from later forms of orthodox and dogmatic Christianity, and places it in its original historical context—as a post-War apocalyptic treatise following the destruction of Jerusalem. Its view of God, of Israel, and of the Messiah, is utterly opposite to and opposed to what emerged as early Christianity.

The focus of the course is a detailed exposition of the Mark as Mark. Mark is a skillfully constructed as a three-part drama, with clear literary motifs that move the story along in very carefully worked out directions, ending with a dead messiah, forsaken by God, his contemporary Jewish culture, and even his closest followers and disciples. The reader is left alone at the end, to try and sort out what it all means, with no direction home. And yet, embedded in the narrative, is a certain “understanding” of the message, but only for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

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[GlorifiedTruth]

It's actually pretty difficult to read the Bible for what it's actually saying because of all the preconditioning we've experienced. We've had the overall theme drummed into our heads, so we read the text within that framework without noticing that the framework isn't really supported by the text.

[resurrectionrefuter]

To give a bit of historical background on the miracles Jesus is said to perform in the New Testament, these same types of "wondrous deeds" were expected to be performed by the Messiah as told in a document found in the Dead Sea Scrolls - 4Q521. This specific pattern set of miracles is based on
Isa. 35:5, 61:1 and also includes "reviving of the dead." What's significant about this is that Matthew 11:2-5 and Luke 7:21-22 actually quote this same tradition as a proof that Jesus was the "one who is to come."

Now, with this historical background in mind, the informed skeptic can make the argument that the data we see in the New Testament of Jesus performing these miracles is equally expected from later authors (not eyewitnesses) who may have sincerely _believed_ Jesus was the Messiah, telling us these things in order to _persuade their audiences_ that Jesus was, in fact, the Messiah. The obvious problem with this is that it doesn't necessarily entail Jesus actually performed any miracles because it's more a case of mistaken propaganda. So this means the data in the New Testament cannot serve as evidence Jesus actually performed miracles since the propaganda hypothesis perfectly predicts the data we see. Without the data in the New Testament, apologists will have to come up with something else in order to demonstrate the miracles were historical.

[davidmathews]

Signs of the messiah in OT. Heal the blind. Heal the lame. Heal lepers. Raise the dead.
Yeshua Jesus is the messiah

[tonyk]

This is interesting to me because when I used to attend Catholic Churches, I knew one priest who would keep telling parishioners not to focus on the miracles as proof of Christ’s divinity.

[armandolima]

Isn't it amazing how people that don't believe in Jesus, couldn't care less about this topic, are atheists and live their lives as themselves see fit, are the ones that go out of their way to disproof and mock Him? Now why is that? Well, all this was prophecied. By Jesus himself actually. A poor son of a carpenter, born in a barn in a backwater town in the middle of nowhere became the most known, worshipped and followed person in the history of the world, our calender and tracking of time is based on his birth, and his gospel is still preached throughout the whole world 2000 years later. Something he also prophecied. Now you tell me if he's the messiah and son of God or not. My friends, only GOD could do this. God is real. Return to Him, not religion, and He will return to you. He said so. Pray to him, honestly, from the heart, to show you who and where He is, and prepare to have your mind blown with His answer to you. May God bless you on this endeavor

[EmeraldEyesEsoteric]

Why are you making so many videos that pick on the gospel of Mark? Mark is the best, because chapter ten teaches reincarnation more clearly then anywhere else. Mark Revelation and Job is all the Bible I even need. You can chuck the rest of it.

[cheriemcclain]

Hey Derek so I'm wondering if I could here yours thoughts on if u think there may be an agenda to the Asbury revival and the Jesus revolution movie being pushed in media at the same time

[ernestschroeder]

Muhammad says exactly the same thing, and then they attributed miracles to him that are more ridiculous.

[fepeerreview]

10:00 So if I'm understanding this correctly, Dr. Tabor is saying that Mark did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but Matthew did and therefore "overwrote" Mark.
I'm having a bit of trouble following Dr. Tabor here. Did I get it right?

[dadaveda]

In the yogic tradition the “miracles” described in the Gospels are known as occult powers. However the displays of occult powers are ultimately frowned upon by serious teachers. It is not a big deal to walk on water but it is a big deal to achieve union with God.

[juanbetancourtg]

The secret to Mark is mind blowing in its simplicity.

[DrugsForRobots]

Right, so as Dr. Tabor explains, Mark was written in such a way that it appears almost like a reading comprehension test... so I'll ask again, is it a psychology book? Jesus is constantly speaking figuratively and in parables and riddles and chastising the disciples for taking things so literally and not understanding what's being said... so is he trying to get them to think? To get the reader to think?

And do you think the people who authored such a text (written in Greek, only some 200-400 years removed from Socrates and Plato) meant to convey principles of logic and reason, or is it just a happy accident? What is the connection between philosophy (the love of wisdom) and psychology (the study of the mind)? If the Bible were not a psychology book, why would it so strongly encourage us to learn to see and hear and understand the truth?

[DCfromBC]

Peter rebukes Jesus because the messiah was supposed to free Israel from foreign occupation (see Dead Sea Scrolls' "Messiah Scroll" for a comprehensive explanation of what First Century Jews thought of who the messiah was going to be), and instead Jesus starts talking about how the authorities are going to kill him. What a strange and convoluted explanation Tabor just gave.

[choptop]

Can you do a video sometime debunking the myths that Christian apologetic "scholars" always spread about the Christianization of Europe? "There was no coercion in the mass conversions", "Christianity was just more advanced and appealing than polytheism and political benefits weren't the main reason for conversion", "pagan religious sites were not desecrated", "pagan rites had almost zero impact on Christian holiday traditions" etc

[samuelricolopezIII]

I bought the course yesterday and i finished the course today. is there anything else i need to do to get an invite to the zoom meeting or am i all set up and ready to go?

[ramadadiver]

How can use such a click bait

When mark chapter 1 uses old testament passages that apply too yhwh and applies them too Jesus

[craigertlmaier]

Acts chapter 5 33-39 proves he isn't the Messiah. His movement known as Netzarim in Hebrew came to an end in 135 ce. This shows he is like the others mentioned in that passage of Acts.

[ardalla]

Considering how dim-witted the Disciple are, it's worth noting that Jesus handpicked all of them himself. So then he complains bitterly about what oafs they are?? If he had wanted IQ, he should have picked scholars. And then he gives these fools 'secret wisdom'? Why? What would they even do with such wisdom after he was gone seeing as they understood nothing of what he was saying?

Obviously, Mark has another purpose here than telling the story of an historical Jesus. Either that, or Jesus was just as blank as the disciples he chose. But that can't be Mark's purpose in writing his gospel. It's a literary creation written for a very specific purpose. But it's been so redacted and changed from the original that we don't really know what Mark intended.

[HandofOmega]

Is it in Mark that Jesus multiplies food...twice? And yet, somehow, the disciples are STILL surprised the second time?