The Ottoman war -- a comparative perspective on WWI

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What is different about the Ottoman war? -- A comparative perspective on WWI. The experience of World War I in the Ottoman Empire was substantially different from that in other belligerent countries in Europe. This was true for the outbreak of war, the war years themselves, and the aftermath of the war.

It is now 100 years since the onset of World War I. Our picture of this war has been shaped to a great extent by visions of the war enthusiasm of 1914, by the mud and trenches of Flanders and the Somme, and by the revolutions of 1917-18, all of them European phenomena. The argument of this lecture is that the experience of World War I in the Ottoman Empire was substantially different from that in other belligerent countries in Europe. This was true for the outbreak of war, the war years themselves, and the aftermath of the war.

Open lecture by renowned historian Erik J. Zürcher, Affilated Professor at Stockholm University Institute for Turkish Studies (SUITS) and Professor of Turkish Studies, Leiden University.

SUITS,Ottoman Empire (Country),World War I (Event),Erik J Zürcher,Turkish Studies,Turkey (Country),Europe (Continent)
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For your convenience here is an index of the lecture:
[03:35] 5 Differences: outbreak, nature, effects on population, the end and the political legacy
[06:37] Spirit of 1914 or war enthusiasm. Ottoman Empire was different regarding:
[08:00] 1- Outbreak of war
[16:20] 2- Nature of warfare
[25:14 ] 3- Effects on population
[31:54] 4- WW1's end
[41:58] 5- Political legacy
[54:53] Q&A

Enjoy!

AlbertSchram
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I love statistics about coal production and railways. It’s therapy.

flashgordon
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fantastic point about ottoman trains in the war using olive logs instead of coal

julianholman
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A Nederlander in Sweden talking about Turkey. All in the English language!

Sheehan
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Thank you for your time guys very nicely done ✔️

ethanniedorowski
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Professor I still remember you loved the lecture.

basitk
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Gracias por este contenido, saludos desde Colombia.

juanfervalencia
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Not just informative, but a well analysed lecture as well.

ramjinarayanan
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all remarkably relevant to our understanding of Israel/Palestine

julianholman
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Why didnt they strike at the railroad system rather than trying to land on a terrain at gallipoli that is very difficult to navigate in. They could have potentially been able to prevent resources from germany coming in. Putting a blockade up also at where the narrow area of sea opens up into mediterranean sea.

sliceofheaven
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It’s under-taught in the U.S. because our role was minor

leahcimolrac
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US Ambassador Morgenthau wrote about the Armenian Genocide. It's the definitive firsthand account of Ottoman deportation and genocide policy.

alexanderaghayan
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How can there be a period of 40 year peace in Europe when there were for example two Balkan wars in the years before 1914? Is the Balkan not part of Europe?

norbertblackrain
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11:47 "They (Balkans/Thrace) had been Ottoman for longer than most of Anatolia"
That is because, prior to Mehmed II conquering Constantinople (1453),
his father Murad II had conquered lands encircling Constantinople.
At this time ~1450, most of Anatolia was not Ottoman.

vinm
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Mосковская орда должна распасться т к смысла в ее существовании нет. Нынешняя элита Неспособна на Реформы, общество неспособно на революцию, поэтому будет продолжаться гниение, которое закончится распадом, т к и затяжное гниение тоже всех утомит.

adamradziwill
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oh poor ottoman empire…such a nice experience it was in the advancement of science arts philosophy….really?It was a corrupt and most of all VIOLENT state that brought back all of those who were subjugated.That was why they were all running away like rats on a sinking ship.Not only because of power games, as your lecture indicates, Proff.Zuercher.

AZ-vgli
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Look for the history of oil, ore anything with WW1 and oil

MrToontuber
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Even Tukish perception (our) of the events is far from truth & even conflicts within...

This is the reason why Turks go "overreactive" when mainly Armenian issue is opened...

Definitions of the speaker can be wrong but understantable...

Eg/ Young Turks: Student revolt who sent to France, saw the environment, demanded same inside...
Where invided to Palace; explained
politely (they were sent by sultan for education in purpose helping reformations already on the way)
simply not blamed even granted;
but asked to be patient...
Sultans program done by scholars local & import was not so different
than those of Kemal Pashas, far more "logical"...
( Today by law we have to wear western hat, 7-25 yr imprisonment, law cannot be questioned)
Well no one gives a crap... Practically doesnt exist...

İ.T (C.U.P) military secret org. After coup legal political party...
* Army
* Media
* Religion
All of whom their men...

Their mission ( when enlisted you loudly swear) does not have one single word "Turk" & "Turkish"...

They never had a nationalistic doctrine...
They were clowns in diplomacy...
(Said-i Nur's followers & Freemasons
same idea ?? But same party ?? Same cause ??)

Cause was simple:
* Serve "Devlet-i Âliyye" and the family on charge "Hanedan-ı Aali Osman" (if necessary dethorning)

Turkish & Armenian issue cannot be understood by any means since its not a Turkish & Armenian issue anyway... (Name of State)

When I first intr

Devlet-i Aliyye" is called Osmanlı's by Turks... Turkey by west since 1300s...

Me: @ 16 in USA first time hearing about it...
- İdiots ..
" 1915 event & Shame on Turkey slogans..."
Let them bark... I wont even bother those cant do math...

Well reason is history we had
Turks Huns Gokturks %5
Selcuks %2
Ottomans %3
ATATURK %10
ATATURK HOW GREAT İS % 35
STANDİNG & THANKİNG & SİNGİNG
TO A STONE: % 50

From age 5-16 (early finished)
After UCONN 20-22 in military
"SAME" while shootin & runnin & jumpin & cleanin...
Blue barret i was (wife of Reds)
100m run stop shoot 400 yard...
if below 2/3...
* Slap-Spit till Red barret sees red in spit...
* Run & Salute His Majesty's Stone
Apologize...
* Run back salute officer
* Red: He forgave you?
* No
* Go again...

BTW: Same Army in PKK, Syria area orders read Koran together...
Hipocrat mofos...

When I hear
"Founder Of Modern Turkey"
"Father of Turks"

I say; ok I was saying same...
But I was brainfucked...

That guy thinks Turks live on trees
some came, teaching how to eat seat wear speedos instead what adam eve wore ??

Even before Selcuks if asked to be called "Ataturk" whom asks would be behaded since its an insult to Khans ancestors...

Im not a Ottomanist Or any Xxx-ist
But Kemal was a sick man havin
"Narsistic Personality Disorder"
whom never to be blamed since he was sick and dead...
His followers were my teachers...
They are my enemies...
You cannot do that to a 5 yr old...
Another narsist we have now but not my business im 32 & I can give his
worshipin idiots the "🖕"...



Not advocating...
Bayezid 1 & Lazarevic walked to
death to protect 2 fugutives

Bayezid 2 ( Continent Damded he Protected Jews)

Abdulmecid sacrificed 150, 000 & his health since when
Russians : Give Hungarians or WAR
Sultan : 🖕
This is not a chair...
A tradition im obliged to serve...



Armenian Genocide

Sorry but Those you blame ended 1908....
Puppets cannot order nor sighn..
3 Morons & MuslimTribes
3 of em u know by name
All assasinated by armenians...
Case closed...
Turks & Kurds & Burglars & Revengers & Viruses & Hunger

Turkey has to hang C.U.P at first in
history books...
Neo-Ottomans even love Enver....

Armenian Diaspora just cares $$$
since no else they have to eat...

Turkish style only helps those hipocrats marching with PKK
on NY streets...
Excuse me but they also are double faced hipocrats...

So no offence to anyone
but those tear their asses to
hear an apology...
Here... Take... 🖕🖕🖕🖕

Truth is Those in Charge Killed More Than an Ethnic Group...
They Vanished All....

Do I go around say Shame on CUP ??
No
They are gone...

timureren