The Life of Elizabeth de Vere Daughter of Shakespeare Wife of Shakespeare or neither? PART 2

In this video we follow Elizabeth's life through marriage to her death in 1627.
Welcome to the world of The Earls of Derby and the only female Lord of the Isle of Man. Was her husband really Shakespeare? Is a painting that has come to light a second portrait of her. Join me for more intrigue.

[kalliereann]

She’s an ancestor of mine. Thank you for this. ❤

[maryoleary]

The features and expression in the
Elizabeth Stanley (nee De Vere) paintings are identical to me.

[mississaugataekwondo]

Thank you for another well considered analysis. Here is another consideration. It is reported that Elizabeth Trentham and Elizabeth Vere had a good relationship as Trentham did with Bridget and Susan. Given the general feeling that Trentham was quite moral, it is unlikely that she had a child with anyone other than Edward and would not have taken in another child unless it were so close to her that it would compel her to do so. The only ones that this might include would be Elzabeth Vere or her brother Francis. There is no evidence for Francis having any affairs. Elizabeth Vere was 17 when Henry de Vere was conceived, so could have had a child. Also, she was known to spend time with Essex and Raleigh and there were issues with Stanley and her a few years later. If Elizabeth had a child out of wedlock, it would be a scandal that would embarrass Edward. There are some who feel that Leicester was the actual father of Elizabeth Vere through either rape or bed trick. To conclude, I think Penelope Rich/Bount was not as sleazy as many have said. She loved all her children and it is unlikely she would have given ne away as noted. So I am not considering her for Avisa.

[Northcountry]

Ahh Diana, Can’t wait for your next presentation David ❗️

[guruuDev]

Great stuff -- that portrait definitely is of the same woman, and looks to be by the same artist, IMHO!

[bluebellwood]

David, thanks for another great posting. As usual full of information, mostly unknown to me. I wish we could talk to the historical figures you talk about. If we solved the mysteries of the ones we are currently interested in there would still be many more to work on.
I'm afraid being English born and bred I did not know of the monarchy of man, despite being a lover of history. So thank you for that information. I greatly look forward to your lesson on Diana.
Do you have a time line on when we can expect it ?.

[joellawerlin]

I am thrilled for your identification of a second portrait of Elizabeth de Vere. Totally persuasive. It has always baffled me that we have no authenticated portraits of either Bridget or Susan, none commissioned by their grandfather.... not one of Susan, even after she married into the Herbert family, as wife of Philip, Earl of Montgomery. (Bonner Cutting has very credibly identified Susan pictured in the Van Dyck family portrait as a death image, and likely another, but not a formal life portrait.) Have you an explanation? Fascinating presentations...

[MrAtsyhere]

@ 52:07 @William Kempt . could be a limerick for William EMPTY (emp-T) a good description of Shakespeare tomb and ending with William Slye. or William IS Sly or perhaps Williams' LIE. Food for thought.

[martindrew]

The volume of your voice is about thirty percent of the other sounds and noise I receive on youtube

[hansonrhodes]

excellent content as always. thank you.

have you ever considered researching the possible connection between Mary Seymour and Mary De Vere ?

it seems very likely that they are one-and-the-same person, but i have yet to see anyone look into it seriously.

would love to see a future episode on it.

[junehawker]

It would be interesting if Edward had given Elizabeth some 9f his work Stanley knew and had the plays put on in his name knowing the work of Elizabeth s father could cause a problem for the family 🤔

[maryoleary]

William's face in both paintings also look a bit mask-like to me.
The famous image of Shakespeare printed in the folio, on closer inspection, seems a mask!
Edward De Vere had a Classical education, knew The Court and Court Politics and visited Venice, Padua, etc., it makes sense

[mississaugataekwondo]

There is a Hilliard miniature shown on the Wikipedia site for Katherine Knyvet that doesn't look like her, but looks much closer to the portraits shown here of Elizabeth. No idea of governance or dating, but eyebrows don't match Knyvet's portrait at all.

[grahamshaw]

My 13th Great-Grandmother
Lady Elizabeth Stanley ** (née de Vere) Countess of Derby
1501–1530
Birth 1501 • Knowsley Hall, Lancashire, England
Death 1530 • Chelsea, London, England

[martacarson]

David, please speak a little louder and into the mike. Thanks.