NT Wright EXPOSES Rapture Doctrine

[MdrnChristianity]

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[yvesboutin]

Very good because Jesus said : I am with you till the end of times. He's not away, He is living among us and through us. Thanks for the video.

[christianfrommuslim]

The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.
Dear Ones, remember what Jesus told us to do. That is to be our focus. We are to share his gospel with everyone and live in love. No one is saved by their perfect theology or eschatology. We are saved by God's grace through Jesus Christ.

[tunglam]

Rapture fever sells a lot of books, draws a big audience, preys on ppls anxiety and draws a lot of nut jobs. It must cease asap.

[WorldWarJew]

As the lighting flashes from the east to the west so too will the coming of the Son of Man be ✝️

[feliciar.]

Time will tell who is telling the truth!

[NRTSean]

Here is a shock. My salvation is not dependent on what I believe about the Second coming but in what Jesus achieved in the first and who He is. To many talk about the 'Lion of Judah' who know nothing about the 'Lamb of God.'

[TheTenthLeper]

*EVER LEARNING, NEVER ABLE TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH.*

[StormyCoop]

Honestly i believe in Jesus he is my Lord and Savior! I see the Bible happening right now! Just like it says! Im waiting for my Lord to come just like he said he will!

[kennethbell]

I trusted Christ as saviour 40yrs ago at the age of 34. I adopted disspensationalism as my hermanuetic for understanding both old and new testament. We recently studied Isaiah and Thessalonians in home group a leading church teacher held an Amilleniam hermeneutic whilst I held a premillenial viewpoint. What united us was that the Amillenialist teacher concluded. 'You have to ask yourselves, does it matter as whatever view you take, we all end up in heaven'. Wise words.

[walterbrown]

From what I've seen and heard over the last 50 years as a born-again believer, it seems to me that way too many of us are arguing, debating, writing books, and worrying about Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, Post-Trib Rapture. Jesus plainly and unequivocally tells us He will show up when we have no advance notice, and to be living in a manner pleasing to God. Even if I can successfully make a case for a "correct" Rapture doctrine, how does that draw me closer to Him if I die riding my motorcycle before He returns ?

[dtubej]

Why did the apostles look up into the sky when their master left them in Acts 1? The message they got from the angels was that he will return exact the same way.

[alanschuetz]

Pre-Trib Rapture

Christ is VERY CLEAR on this subject. PERIOD!

Matthew 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. (NASB95)

Mark 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. (NASB95)

Those who teach a pre-Trib “rapture” are sons of Gehenna… they are AGAINST CHRIST!

This is why… That one false teaching will be the catalyst for the Great Apostasy! When “Christians” witness the undeniable signs of the Tribulation and realize they were not “beamed up” to Heaven, they will lose faith! They will be rocked to their foundations and question: “I’m a believer. Why wasn’t I good enough?”

#QuestionEverything

[ca]

John chapter 14
I go to prepare a place for you...I will come again and receive you unto myself.

[toonybrain]

We are contained and constrained by time and dimensions. God has no such restraints. We are not privvy to the spiritual realm right now; we were not created for it - this is why the Bible warns against messing with the occult.

[jimalexander]

I've been taught rapture theology for at least 50 years, and from the start, I saw it wasn't biblical. I chose rarely to debate it as I have nothing to lose if I'm wrong, contrary to what those who believe in a pre-trib rapture will experience if they're wrong (including, but not limited to, not recognizing the anti-Christ because they are under the assumption they will not be here when he's revealed).

There were several points which clearly screamed out at me from Scriptures, a few of which include:

"You": To whom is Jesus speaking throughout the 24th chapter of Matthew (as well as the parallel account in Mark 13 and similar passages in Luke 17 & 21)? The Lord is speaking to His disciples -- i.e. believers. Bearing that in mind, note that the Lord uses the word “you” numerous times throughout this discourse -- at least eleven times directly (verses 4, 9[2], 20, 23, 25, 26, 33, 34, 44, 47), and a few times indirectly just in the Matthew passages alone. The Lord speaks of “you” (believers) being delivered up to tribulation, “you” (believers) seeing the abomination of desolation, anyone saying to “you” (believers) that ‘Here is the Christ!’, etc. Likewise, in Mark 13:29: “…when you see these things happening…” Such would imply that believers will be present throughout, as the events described unfold.

The elect: Of course, it was Matthew 24:15-22 which first made me think that I was being led astray by well-meaning, albeit biblically incorrect individuals about a rapture.

The "elect" (ἐκλεκτός) (Matt.24:22 -- for whose sake those days will be cut short) is used only 22 (23) times in the whole of the New Testament. In seven instances, the word is utilized in reference to this End Times prophecy. In all but four instances where this word is used in the New Testament it is always a reference to believers. The four exceptions are: I Tim. 5:21 (where it refers to “elect“ angels), and three references to Christ (Lk. 23:35, I Pet. 2:4, 6). As such, it should be ascertained from its use above (as well as in the subsequent End Times passages), that the elect (i.e. believers) are present on earth during the end times tribulation.

Making war against the saints: (Dan. 7:21, 25; Rev. 13:7) It would again appear that the saints (a.k.a. elect) must still be on earth during these times in order to be persecuted.

The coming of the Son of Man: The Greek phrase used for the coming of the Son of Man appears thrice in this discourse (verses 27, 37 and 39). In all three instances, the Greek is identical. (The phrasing is different in verse 30, as well as the accounts of both Mark 13:26 and Luke 21:27, which utilizes a different word: ἔρχομαι.)

This would seem to indicate that the events described herein (the days of Noah) should be placed chronologically within the time-frame of the events depicted in proximity of verse 27's coming of the Son of Man. (see also Lk. 17: 26-27) The Lord referred to one "coming of the Son of Man" -- not two, or three or more.

A great trumpet / the last trumpet: While there are seven trumpets mentioned in the 8th through 11th chapters of Revelation, I will omit discussion of the first six (Revelation 8:1 through 11:14), as these are not alluded to in the Lord‘s discourse from Matthew 24. However, given that the first six trumpets follow the previous cosmic occurrences (Rev. 6:12-14), but precede the seventh (or last ) trumpet (Rev. 11:15, I Cor. 15:51-52, I Thes. 4:15-17), it may be assumed that the events described from Revelation 8:1 through 11:14 occur between the cosmic occurrences (Matthew 24:29) and the sounding of the trumpet to gather His elect (Matthew 24:30).

It is advantageous to note at this point that all of the events of the subsequent passages follow the aforementioned, great, end times tribulation (verse 21), but precede the coming of the Son of Man on the clouds to gather His elect (verse 31), i.e. the gathering of the elect follows the great tribulation; it does not precede it (as should also be noted by the phrase which begins verse 29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days... then).

The great multitude: The great multitude referenced in Rev. 7:9-10 (and again in verses 13 and 14) is not to be confused with the 144, 000 previously mentioned (verses 3-8). Those previously mentioned (verses 3-8) are specifically designated as those numbered from among the sons of Israel. The great multitude mentioned in verses 9-10, 13-14 are specifically designated as those from among every nation -- Gentiles.

[jimkraft]

First Corinthians 15:51-53. First Thessalonians 4:13-18. When Jesus comes for the church, we go to meet Him in the clouds. He does not come back to earth until the end of the tribulation. That is the second coming. The rapture comes before the tribulation. John 3:16-18.

First Thessalonians 4:18. Comfort one another with these words. There would be no comfort knowing we would go through the tribulation. The tribulation is for the Jews who rejected Jesus as their Messiah. Revelation 7. There will be 144, 000 of them saved during the tribulation, and so man Gentiles from all the corners of the earth that no man can number.

[richardtite]

Heard an interesting idea. When two are in the field and one is taken, it might be the one who is saved that remains. Not the other way around. Food for thought.

[johnadams]

Could it be that the doctrine of a "Pre-tribulation rapture" will, if left unchecked be a major contributor of the falling away at the end time? Visualise the despair of those who believe they will vanish and be with the Lord, when it doesn't happen and the "great tribulation" is at the door?

[anthonyreyes]

Thank you for explaining I think that’s very helpful and healthy for today’s minds so thank you