The Problem With Meta In Gacha Games

meta in gachas is a very complicated topic that people are always talking about , some games apply it in a good way , and some other are still trying to innovate a new way of handeling it.

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[shironasama]

Crazy how HSR had more powercreep in a single year than Genshin did in 4

[Emerald-kun]

I usually take the middle ground approach in regards to meta; I pick the characters I actually like and then build a competent team around them.

The characters I like might not necessarily be meta, but I invest enough in meta supports so that I don't feel miserable playing the game with them.

I mean, imagine playing a comp with four DPSes just because they're your favorites. 😅

[gihdolf]

My problem with meta in gacha games is that there is literally no alternative, its shamelessly shoved down your throat and any alternative is not only barely featured in any capacity, its rarely future proof or even retrofitted to allow older characters to be viable again.

[Wiradika]

Tbh... I have an easy way to tell if a game will have quick powercreep or slower Powercreep, and that's by feeling whether I'm pressured to follow the meta from the very first day I play that game...

[infinitykiyen]

Oh yeah WuWa meta is pretty clear good like in PGR.

Even the Changli slander is just baseless...
Claims...
1) Changli has lower support than Yinlin
Reality = Because instead of off field damage? She instantly burst damage within a short fame.
2) Yinlin has weaker skill than Encore
Reality = They didn't even consider that Changli had better passive than Encore
3) Changli can't support Encore
Reality = That applies even with another tier 0 Support Yinlin. Because Encore doesn't have an ULT.

Honestly the meta in WuWa is less of being effective. Its more like how you like to play.

Both Yinlin and Changli shares same result. Just different kind of damage.

If you like Off field damage? Go with Yinlin.
If you like quick time burst? Go with Changli.

In WuWa the meta is more subjective...

Unless you talking about the tiger dude because he sucks even jf he's cool... I'm sorry...

[Deca-go]

What i like in wuwa is that the meta really doesnt count, is your ability and holy moly, people do some epic stuff in wuwa

[TopTOBiiiii]

I'm really happy with the current situation in wuwa tbh

Even tho I'm skipping 1.1, the patch with the most powerful dps and another valuable character, I still find them an easy skip just bc I'm not that much into the characters. Or at least I don't feel pressured to pull characters I don't like, like what happened to me in hsr with Ruan Mei and Acheron

I'm still satisfied with my Jiyan and Yinlin and my standard characters and four stars :) I hope it stays like this

[astrowolf]

People forget that you can make any character strong if you build them strong.Meta is temporary but waifu is eternal.

[ThallesTales]

It's a PVE game, play with the character you like most. Simple...

[raikumokun]

People complain a lot about power creep but they're the same ones who complain why changli is weak and doesn't do more dmg than jinshi... Shit doesn't makes sense 💀 just pull who you like regardless of meta

[princessochka]

You and gacha community have a wrong perception of what meta is. Meta = most effective tactics available. It isn't about most used characters or about strongest characters to bruteforce encounter with pure strengtth. It is about using proper characters which would be most effective against these specific encounters/enemy types/weaknesses. In Genshin, Venti is considered to be fallen off, but he is meta in any encounter with lightweight mobs. Neuvillette, which is considered the strongest dps, isn't meta against Thunder Manifestation/Pearl Seahorse. What you are talking about is a general powerlevel of characters, powercreep, and tactics gacha devs using to promote ther characters, not meta.

[somefrenchguy]

there was kick back in the background of the blue archive sponsor

[shawnevolved]

Still watching the video but gonna leave a opinion here and idk if it was mentioned but since you have a ba sponsor I'm sure you might have mentioned it.

Blue archive actually does something i find much better than in games like genshin and star rail that while all characters are ususable in these games in blue archive the meta there has more wiggle room with old units still being really good, example of this are mutsuki and momoi who are used alot despite having better units simply because of the amount of variety of the content. Hsr kinda did this with pure fiction and (the new mode that was supposed to be single target did not do anything just a redesigned abyss imo) but in ba you have the 4 damage types where you need units in and then there is also the difference between aoe and single target example of this would be hasumi(track) and chise both of then use mystic(blue) dmg but both of them have their uses. There is also armor types which again keeps old units not only usuable but still good. Another example would be the raids have totally different unit needs that multiple meta exist. Good example would be how teams need a repositioner in shurokuro(forgot the name) and a healer for Hieronymus.


Units also crazy easy to get already have majority units i want as f2p and with how many times you can get off banner units. Fes banner is also goated with the double drop rate

[infinitykiyen]

The only case when meta don't change is PGR case where they don't make duplicate of Amplifier class... This is both good and bad.
Good
1) It makes it easier to build a team. Just any dps and one support.
2) It makes it easy to save the roll

Now the bad side...
1) If you missed them? Yeah good luck building that element team! You could but it will be so inferior using healer. Like they are not meant to support to begin with...
2) It also means people can spend less. They can just save and plan their roll.

Honestly the only case when meta don't change is the game don't ever change that. But...
1) Genshin Impact => The meta not only adding more damage but they also adding more HP... Like why are they INCREASING everything?
2) Honkai Starrail => They don't change the damage and HP much. Instead they change the weakness of the enemy which makes certain team bad in the meta rotation instead. At time DoT is good and than it sucks... That's about it. Okd character are nit that far worse like lower than A tier. Except Yangqing... He still trash...
3) FGO => Funny enough with over 300 servants? Only less than 10 support actually matters... So regardless of DPS meta? It doesn't matter!

Honestly i doubt Gunshin Impact will ever fix the meta problem. They are HORRIBLE at that. They didn't fux the meta at all... They actively making it worse.

I wouldn't even mind if they instead of HP scale and choose to do damage rotation instead like HSR? It would have been better!

[reveriesend]

One does not simply talk about meta and powercreep before:
1) Play a Cygames gacha game
2) Play a REAL chinese money-grabber gacha game (hoyo at this point is international!)

Neuvi? Powercreep? bro he's just there for fun. just like... say: Ganyu & Ayaka. Or Hutao & Yoimiya. or Kokomi & whoever isn't dumb enough to actually thought she sucks when her kit was first revealed.

[arocomisgamusclademork]

Hoyoverse sacrifice Genshin satisfies content and trashed Surveys, feedback and Customer support into HSR Milk money never care for Characters matter anymore and betray hype game for

[ALL-D]

i kinda miss my tof account, i leave tof with 300+pulls left there, and is the no. 1 generous gacha for f2p but the problem in tof is not the powercreep by meta for me, but the event tho, so time consuming😂😂

[OfficialNeonScratch]

Does meta matter in Genshin when you can clear it with any good team you already have? If you have enough character pool in Genshin, you don't need to worry about meta, you'll only worry about if you can get the new character because the character is hot/cute/handsome/funny/etc. HSR right now is still in the stage where they can keep introducing new mechanics and good end game. In Genshin, you only worry if your characters can either Crit or can do elemental reaction. But if you really want my option, Waifu/Husbando > meta.

[Bot-pl]

Genshin have no such problem

: xiangling 🗿

[annaradford]

Lovely to see character from chainsaw man part 2 😅 though might be part 1 as well. I guess I am in the odd boat of wait for raiden/any other character that seems cool though 4 stars can seem cooler as I only have a 5 stars and give up on tower of fantasy after foina with there yet to be a character to come back to pull.