Can Anything Fix Ryzen 9000?

There have been so many problems with the launch of Zen 5 and its 9950X, 9900X, 9700X and 9600X CPUs. But after all the reviews and testing, especially in gaming, is there anything at all that will "fix" Ryzen 9000...or was its performance intentional all along?

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2:00 - Let's Talk Testing PBO
2:32 - PBO Gaming Power & Temps & Speeds
3:14 - INSANE Power & Heat on Air Cooling
4:01 - Will an AIO Even Help This?
4:49 - Real World PBO Benchmarks
6:23 - PBO + Gaming = Wow or Pointless?
8:02 - Let's Talk SMT Modifiers
9:26 - Gaming with SMT Off is INTERESTING
10:38 - Pointless or Beneficial?
11:51 - We're Grasping at Straws Here

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[yellowr]

My legendary 5800X3D will last me until AM6.

[ZioComposite]

The 5800x 3D & 7800x 3D basically stand out especially if your primary concern is gaming.

[saunders]

Maybe it is best to wait for a 9800X3D. My trusty i9 9900K can hang on a bit longer.

[leoariasyt]

Gaming: Ryzen 5600X3D (Good luck finding that one), 5700X3D, 5800X3D and 7800X3D.

[itisalwaysday]

I wished you included benchmarks for 7700x with PBO to compare apples to apples..

[MarioDE]

I really like how you manage your graphs and the art style is great

[NinjaQuick]

The big investment was AVX-512, it's a workstation CPU. Wait for the X3Ds for gaming.
Phoronix/L1T show its legs are very long in Linux (where AVX512 is natively used across loads of different workloads/programs thanks to compiler optimizations). AVX512 is extremely demanding of memory, cache and internal busses/fabric. A large part of the bumped queue, cache, etc. are to accomodate the one-clock AVX512 extensions.
So I think having no gaming *regression* is 'fine'. I get the disappointment with it being static for gaming, but the workstation performance, again avx512, is a huge leap forward, 15+ %.

[patrickweaver]

It's not broke. It's not meant for gaming. Start getting used to this because the technology is pretty much at its limits currently. Until they solve the internal heat problems at least. As for marketing, cigarettes never made you look cool, that midlife crises sports car won't make you more attractive to women, and you can't lose weight without dieting and exercise. A 16% IPC uplift doesn't necessarily make a CPU 16% faster. But you knew that didn't you?

[JynxedKoma]

AMD is aware of the Windows "bug" and Microsoft is presently working on an official update to fix the issue, therefore you will soon no longer have to use the super admin account to gain back that lost performance in games.

[AxleLotl]

To be fair to AMD though... soooo many people freaked out over the power consumption and thermals of 7000 series...
If you can get the same performance as 7000 series but at much lower power, thermals and noise, which makes them more synchronous to both ITX systems and in professional environments.
Honestly, I'm happy with that. 7000 series is amazing and 9000 brought us that performance with more comfort or you can enable PBO for the extra oomph.

[billynomates]

Yes, not expecting it to compete with X3D chips when it's not an X3D chip.

[Thedevans]

Nope the current 9000 series is cooked. So many people have tried different ways to improve its gaming performance but could only manage single-digit improvements. Meanwhile, the 7000, 5000, and 3000 series dunked on their predecessors without breaking a sweat. No one was attempting to turn off SMT, enable PBO, use a Windows admin account, or anything like that because the performance bump was already there. What we should be investigating is AMD for how they put misleading improvements in their marketing that didn't materialize. IMO that's why the response has been so negative: it failed to meet expectations.

[superkoopatrooper]

I don't understand, what games struggle to run on these CPU's. Why even overclock or disable SMT at this point? People out here really chasing the dragon.

[ZioComposite]

To add to your conclusion, I think the bigger issue is AMD's marketing of the chips in regards to gaming performance. All they had to do was be truthful about it and it wouldn't have been such a big issue.

[kimochi]

Intel users looking at 150w: rookie numbers 😂

[jackr.]

From what I have seen in certain reviews, the problem with 9000 series might be Windows itself, some have tested using Linux and these same chips run a lot better in Linux, so whether MS will fix this in windows is yet to be seen.

[jondasek]

I think the R7 7700 should be included in benchmarks as it also is a 65W TDP CPU, costs a ton less than 9700X, is way more efficient than 7700X and not that far behind. Especially the bulk versions here in Europe are cheaper than R5 7600X. And even if not, it's still quite cheap.

[Yoshimatsu]

Looking at what the Core i7 is pulling for power compared to the AMD parts is hilarious 🤣

[jamesdavies]

Fix? Nothing broken with Ryzen, Intel is the one that's broken.

[henryliu]

Maybe another deceptive video that is actually an ad from you could fix it?