Why Toyota decided to change entire production process to use Tesla's 'Gigacasting'

Why Toyota decided to change entire production process to use Tesla's 'Gigacasting'

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[darrenschmitz]

When Sandy Munro's Team tore down a Model Y and showed the Giga Casting was the day I invested in Tesla. I am an Engineer and this showed to me Tesla's vision and that they were more than an electric car startup to me.

[daveyshmavey]

I love that EVERYONE is listening to Munro now. Ford CEO emotionally thanked sandy munro for putting American automakers in their place and forcing their engineers to pull their heads out.

[markbeckett]

Its called recognizing the source. It demonstrates respect and humility and is to be admired.

[brotherpeter]

A gentle person gives credit where credit is due.

[aomurdock]

Yes! All car industry safety tests should include the 250 foot cliff plunge test!

[Teddystream.]

Jaguar F Type project started in 1998 and produced a prototype 2000 demonstrating a stamped aluminium chassis components but it was shelved for 10 years because there was no established production route.

[heinzbecker]

I worked for Ford for some time. My group created the weld coordinates for all the body parts so the robots knew where to put a weld spot. We mostly did underbody, so i know quite good how the front and rear underbody of various Ford models look like (other car brands are not that different), how many parts there are and how many weld spots are holding them together. The gigacasts from Tesla are parts of the underbody which in case of damage are basically unreparable. Parts you could change from damage are the front and rear bumper beams, front fenders, hood, doors. Cause all that stuff isn't welded to the body but connected with various fasteners. When some parts of the welded body structure are effected any normal priced car will, in most cases, be a write off anyway. So hats off to Tesla. The gigacasts are a really great inovation in that space. And thats not the only part where they teach the established OEMs a lesson. I personaly don't like Teslas that much. Way to big and expensive for me and their cockpit is just horrible. I really like how they kick the huge lagards like Toyota, VW, GM etc. a nice kick in the balls. I'll wait for my Aptera though.

[SuperFredAZ]

FYI, cars used to be made body on frame. some trucks and large SUVs still use this technique, a steel frame with body on frame. In the 60s the manufacturers began using "unibody" welded stamped pieces, eliminating a separate frame.

[tegg]

"SCAMMED BY STAKE", Please provide more info. I have shares invested through Stake also.

[philjklew]

Recently shopped around for comprehensive car insurance as I will be picking up my Tesla Model Y very shortly. It does seem like insurance is considerably more expensive than for a conventional ICE car (although I am comparing with the insurance that I am paying for my 17 yo VW Golf GTI, so not a great comparison). I also found that some insurance companies will not insure a Tesla Model Y. I have seen several YouTube videos where people have had relatively minor accidents in their Teslas and get repair bill shock, so you should make sure you are appropriately covered by your insurance policy and that the policy should allow you to choose your own repairer, given the specialised construction of these cars.

[NickHarper-cs]

I recall Tesla in the early days being critisiced for cost of welding multiple parts to make a body. To increase profits for shareholders they went to gigapress

[jackcoats]

Tesla efficiency in their cars is more than weight, they optimize aerodynamics and friction in the drivetrain, everything from weight of moving parts, number and type of bearings and lubrication, even rolling friction of the tires, and more. Also fewer or no parts are better if still getting the function done!

[jefflittle]

Regarding gigacasting meaning a total write-off of the car in a serious accident. Think about how close a bumper replacement comes to being a complete write-off in a 5 year old car. It is true that we might have fewer cars in the 10 year old used market, but cost improvements are also making that less relevant as more people will eventually be able to afford new cars.

[daveinwla]

Insurance premiums are priced by an insurer's loss experience.
If write-offs for a car model are costing the insurer more in pay-outs,
the insurer will simply charge higher premiums for that model.

[ProfessorHamer]

It’s not Tesla’s weight saving that gives them the higher efficiency, it’s the combination of aerodynamics, drivetrain, thermal management and electronic efficiency. Often people think that the weight of an EV affects efficiency but it has been shown many many times that this is simply orders of magnitude less in effect compared to an ICE vehicles. The test is simple: load the car with 5 people and compare the efficiency, it’s minor

[marktodd]

Yes, I agree with the safety features to avoid an accident in the first place and the highest safety rating in crash tests for my family with my wife and two 9 year olds - like you said thats what insurance is for and its required where I live in San Diego, California
Keep up the good work Sam, I really appreciate a person that does proper research and does not put out false info. and calls out others when they do.

[biovmr]

Viking, best wishes to your family, and keep up the good work. Thanks.

[ozozi]

Yep, agree with Al Sam, and do love Sandy Munro to, great engineer

[jsprowse]

I think the insurance concern is that instead of repairing an ICE car, which an insurance company would cover (net of the deductible) and get you back on the road, writing off a Tesla can result in the insurance company giving you the current market value for a Tesla, meaning you would need to go out and buy a used Tesla or put more money out of pocket into the purchase of a new Tesla. The other side of the argument is that the same accidents that cause a write off in a Tesla would cause a write off with any ICE car as well.

[Blessedmantoday]

Congrats Toyota ! For you are humble and follow Tesla in their leading 👍👍