Atheist Debates - Theism via Transcendental Arguments - Matt Dillahunty and Jay Dyer

This debate took place on August 20, 2019 on Jay Dyer's YouTube Channel.

[PercentTaxes]

Very kind of Matt to post his L's

[ethanwarring]

Matt: extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence
Also Matt: logic (immaterial universial truth) just is, no evidence needed

[frankmurphy]

What a load of nonsense. Never got near why or how there could be any gods, never mind a protestant christian one

[retardedape]

Jay usually ends up explaining how philosophy and debating works lol

[SiriusMined]

So Jay admits he's presupposing god, then using that presupposition to prove the existence of god, by claiming god is necessary in the framework that he's presupposed.


So he's basically Sy Ten, but less assholish

[jhausa]

lmao comments sections like these remind me that athiests do not study any philosophy haha. Just saying 'I don't understand what Jay is saying' or saying 'Jay uses big words' is not an argument hahaha

[christalley]

Jay: thank you for participating in this debate
Matt: I'm not convinced this was a debate

[olixz]

If you're a materialist you're only ever going to look for physical evidence as proof.

[darylblasi]

Matt cut nicely through the haze and pointed out there was no real argument made.

[bengreen]

is it just me, or did Jay just say the same thing over and over again - transcendentals are interlinked and we assume that reality exists. Every now and then he threw in a " I presuppose God", without ever giving a reason to do so.

[JohnVC]

I like how the moderators says "very good, very good, nice job" etc. After every speech lol. He sounds like he's coaching a little league game.

[thaddeuscosse]

Who else is here after Tjumps "Debate" with Jay?

[christophert]

His entire argument is special pleading. It's so tedious.

[tonydorsett]

Imo, the only weakness Matt has is his temperament. He seems to get so angry so quickly. You see it in the show and I believe it limits him in his discussions. Don't get me wrong, it's frustrating speaking to people who constantly misrepresent you but that's the work he's in.

[SiriusMined]

Jay insists on an explanation of the foundation of logical absolutes, and provides none for his god.

[jeremiclement]

The cope in this comment section is almost as delicious as the one from the Matt Dillahunty vs Andrew Wilson debate.

[drumanddrummer]

It sure does strike me as odd that Jay's God used to just straight up make his existence obvious with back and forth conversations with people (Abraham, Moses, etc.) and yet for some reason, we today are left to contend with these dubious, speculative philosophical arguments. Why did Yahweh get all of his obvious existing out of the way before the invention of cameras and video?

I think I know why.

[-ds]

It's very weird seeing educated people denouncing logic itself, Jay seems to have a problem understanding that things like math and language are descriptive of observation and not facts in and of themselves.

[sbushido]

"I'm a pressupositionalist, but I refuse to accept that you have presuppositions too, so I'll just call them 'ad hoc.'"

[captap]

Near the end:
- your meatloaf is unjustified.
- it's a transcendental meta meatloaf, soooo