Why Ancient Sith Lords DISLIKED Darth Vader - Star Wars Explained

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Composer: Whitesand (Martynas Lau)
Year: 2017
Title: Eternity Additional Music Terminus by: Scott Buckley
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[Lurkai]

Ancient Sith Lords: “Bro I fuckin HATE that anakin dude man..”

Anakin: “I’m not even born yet man wtf??”

[McNasty]

I love how the Jedi thought Anakin didn't fulfill the prophecy but in "reality" he brought balance to the force by wiping out both the Sith and Jedi

[EngineTruck]

Vaders biggest mistake (and something he couldn’t necessarily control) is the fact he was trained by Sidious. While both the ancient Sith philosophy and the Rule of Two both had their flaws, the fact of the matter remains that Sidious didn’t believe in the Rule of Two. He believed in the rule of one. He never intended on Vader striking him down and succeeding him as he did to Plagueis, Plagueis did to Tenebrous, and so on. He intended on ruling forever and disposing of Vader when he was no longer useful, as he did Tyranus. Had Vader been trained by a Sith such as the spirits of Exar Kun, Revan, or even Marka Ragnos, he would’ve had a much better chance of reaching his full potential. But the philosophy held by the ancient Sith who hated Vader and Sidious was flawed as it was ultimately self-destructive. Even when they came within a hair’s breadth of conquering the Republic, they always failed due to infighting and betrayal.

[macwelch]

Darth Malgus would probably like Darth Vader, seeing as they have similar abilities and fighting styles. Who Vader really needs though, is Darth Revan

[dukethighwalker]

Why Augustus Caesar DISLIKED Joe Biden.

[paladinebahamut]

Both sides of the argument have their weaknesses. The Rule of Two made the Sith line vulnerable, while the Ancient Sith made the mistake of not respecting their enemies

[RickySpanish]

Imagine if Darth Vader hadn't dueled Obi-wan. Imagine if he'd reached the age of 40 without losing his power (losing limbs, needing a suit etc). All those ancient sith who hated him, would have been slaughtered by him.

[InfiniteNaos]

I have a feeling that both ideologies of Ancient and Modern Sith are very off putting. The Ancient Sith understandably were more warrior-like and wanted to beat the Jedi saber to saber this as well as believing the dark is always greater than the light yet never fully taking out the Order entirely. The Modern Sith had a good plan of working in the shadows, not quite like the Sith of old, but having to change tactics in order to completely destroy the Jedi Order entirely. After the reign of Tenebrous the modern Sith’s vision had changed and thusly failed on their own accords.

[moalex]

Funny, the more you listen and learn about the Jedi/Sith lore, the more you realize how messed up both sides became in the movies that we know. Jedi's are peacekeepers of life, not politicians. They aren't supposed to be siding with anyone, just against conflict. Sith are power hungry, not necessarily the Jedi's nemesis but merely super nerds of the force. Quite frankly, if the Jedis weren't so scared of the dark side and shunned the Sith, there wouldn't be any conflict between them at all. At the same time, can't really blame the Jedis. They're trying to preserve the natural way of life, but powerful enough Siths can alter that very natural way of life Jedis try to keep. Both the Jedis and Siths deviated from their original beliefs in the movies as far as I'm concerned. At the very least, that is what I'm understanding from watching and listening to Sith/Jedi videos.

[mRibbons]

"...the entire galaxy would be shaped and molded by this _single_ man."
Vader: 😢

[philippedefague]

We need a Vader series or at least a Vader game where Vader isn't just hunting down the Jedi but perhaps also rival sith. Maybe even sith ghosts. His suit being life support could also perhaps serve a function in this sense as keeping Vader on the edge of death on a state of living death, perhaps connecting him more to the force and giving him an ability to find and damage ghosts or perhaps serve as something of a force vampire. There's a lot that can be done with darth vader ultimately.

[ericokonkwo]

I know Darth Plagieus originally wanted Count Dooku to be his apprentice. Imagine in a Twist that Plagieus and Dooku didn't die at the hands of Anakin and Sidious, and carried out the gran Sith plan with creating their version of the Empire. What would their combine Sith vision and Imperial Empire be like, would Sidious still go on to find and train Anakin to be his Ally?

[thomashost]

I feel Vader would have flourished had he been trained by a different Sith Lord. Palpatine may be powerful in the force, but despite his cunning, he's shown repeatedly to be one of the biggest fools in the series, being his own demise several times across both continuities. Vader would probably have been a far better Sith had he been trained by someone like Exar Kun, who's spirit still resided in his tomb in Legends for several years after the Darth's death, or as another comment mentioned Darth Revan. In fact, had Revan's spirit been channeled by Kenobi to teach Anakin occasionally, he'd be a far more balanced user of the force, and would likely never have become Vader at all. He'd know enough of the dark side to see through Palpatine's deceptions and would have helped Windu defeat him.

[WolfPackGameing]

to be honest the only Sith Lord Palpatine and Vader would have had to concern themselves with is Bane, on account Bane is the only Sith Lord who is stronger than them both. He is also teh Sith Lord that would hate them the most, Due to Palpatine the rule of 2 failed. Bane betrayed his masters and students because he realized arrogance and acts of self grandeur were killing the sith. To many people believed themselves more important than the Sith Empire, and as result it lead to infighting and self destruction. His whole plan with the Rule of 2 was to practice patience. While only 2 Sith exist they would constantly combat each other, and be at each others throats, In turn this made self preservation important, in order to survive in the order of 2 you must always get stronger and better. The role of master and apprentice was two fold, the master taught the apprentice, but they both kept each other capable of conflict to the highest ability. But while all this happened, the Jedi, without any meaningful enemy that could realistically threaten them would grow weak. their use of the force would default to supportive rather than combative, their ability to duel with lightsabers would fall apart since they would primarily fight blasters, this was shown really well in the prequels, when Obi Wan and Anakin fought Count Doku, If it were not for Palpatine Doku would have won, because he was far more practiced in combat both force and lightsaber on lightsaber combat. At that point the Jedi no longer knew how to fight a dark force user, look at Quigon and Maul, a basic trained darkside user was able to kill a Jedi Master with little to no effort all because they were out of practice. These things should have cemented in Palpatine that the rule of 2 was working. But instead, His pride kicked in. Sheev Palpatine was a ignorant self idolizing fool. He broke the rule of two because he believed himself superior, He could not stand the idea of being just another Sith Lord who would die in obscurity, thus the "Tragic story of Plagius the wise" His master as wise and powerful as he was, died, unkown to anyone. Palpatine refused, he broke the rule of two, underestimated the Jedi's remaining strength, and revealed the existence of the Sith FAR to early. The moment he had Maul make his move the Jedi knew the Sith were back, The moment they saw Doku they knew the sith were hiding. This ultimatly lead to Palpatine being discovered by the order. Even after Anakin saving him, He again underestimated them. Order 66, grand and quick, but ultimately it failed, Jedi felt it coming, and Jedi survived. And in order to hunt them, He built up a order of assassins lead by his apprentice and sent them out to hunt and kill the remnants of the Jedi. Bane if alive, would have killed Palapatine if he was his apprentice, he would have realized Palpatines ego was a threat to the survival of the sith. Generations of progress destroyed because one idiot could not follow the one simple rule. "One master, One Apprentice. If you take and Apprentice, Ill kill you and your apprentice, If I take another apprentice, you must kill me and mine."

[sedalionthunder]

I think even Bane would have come to despise Sidious in the end. Bane only sought out a way of cheating death as he believed Zannah would never prove herself. Sidious did it to rule forever.

[theunderdog]

That story of those Jedi going mad and killing all of their apprentices after seeing Vader, or rather, the downfall of the Jedi at the hands of "a Padawan" and then that one Jedi actually seeing Vader and being shook at the sight, gives me chills. Even back then, Vader commanded fear. Would love to see that in live-action. I'm just imagining that vision. All they see is the Jedi being wiped out, not by who or by what, but then they hear Vader's breathing followed by Palpatine's laugh...

[christophersandidge]

I read about the old sith lords. None of them had any room to talk. The goal was always the same, the only thing that changed was the theory, and it was always a failure. The cycle would always continue. The jedi would rise, get complacent, nearly, but not quite get wiped out by the sith. The sith would then rise, get complacent, then, nearly, but not quite get wiped out by the jedi. And the cycle would start again. The chosen one was supposed to break this cycle, by wiping them both out (bringing "balance" to the force), but it wasn't really pleasant for him. Great video. Thanks.

[johnquach]

Sith: Spend millenia trying to control the galaxy.
Darth Vader: Ruins it by saving his son from the Emperor and killing the Emperor.
Sith:

[InfamousBananaGoblin]

I love the idea that the sith we commonly think of are nothing like the ancient sith. ancient sith obsessed over destruction and hatred, but modern sith obsess of control and fear

[Bluesonofman]

I prefer the Rule of One, it allows for many dark underlings but only one True Master. No one will ever become powerful enough to defeat the Sith Lord as they will merely be nothing more than Dark Jedi.