Keith Ward Tears Fundamentalism Apart (Part 1)

Keith Ward is a Christian philosopher, theologian, pastor and scholar. He has an MA and DD degrees from both Cambridge and Oxford, and he served as Regius Professor of Divinity at Oxford from 1991 to 2004.

[timh.]

This is a wonderful lecture by the great Keith Ward. Humane, utterly sensible and revelatory. Every believer should listen and digest. Ward and his ilk represent the way forward for Christianity.

[DavidRichardson-qpzm]

Ward blows the socks off Fundamentalism in a charming way. Love his presentation

[Nauti_Games]

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I agree with how sad it is that fundamentalists won't take evolution seriously in the face of evidence.  Genesis 1 is poetic, meant to establish foundational theology about God, not a literal science text.

[weeperman]

I disagree with his view regarding Mark's gospel presenting Jesus as "not divine" since Mark includes the account of Jesus claiming authority to forgive sin right at the beginning of his ministry. The context makes it clear that both Jesus and the religious leadership were acutely aware of the theological significance of this. They rightly said "only God can forgive sin."

[akimoetam]

All the Reformed Baptist’s left the chat room

[Magnulus]

Rev. Ward's views are pretty close to what I learned in Eastern Orthodox Catechism classes. Also, allegorical interpretation is right there from the beginning of the Church, with saints like Origen of Alexandria.

[akimoetam]

Man, I love the pic of the giant Dr. Ward over these fundamentalist “reformed” evangelicals

[mariamicsunescu]

I would love to see Ward in debate with McArthur. It’d be very telling.

[sergkapitan]

Great man! How said that so many do not hear the truth!!!

[truethinker]

If the King James Bible was good enough for the Apostle Paul it's good enough for me.

[ChipKempston]

In some sense, the trouble with Fundamentalism is that it attempts exactly what I said (forcing a 21st cent., western understanding) onto ancient writings by Eastern thinkers. I agree fundamentalism has many problems, but I don't think this video is a very high quality critique.

[musiclover]

I'm going to listen to the Rev. professor Ward on Saturday. So far, I like what he says. I'm an atheist.

[weeperman]

After years of study of scripture and prayer, the Lord led me back into the Catholic Church following several years in fundamental churches. My studies revealed to me that the Catholic church had a lot of accurate theology that was lacking in the fundamental circles, particularly in the area of interpreting scripture and its application of principles in the modern world in light of scientific advancements.

[SamOgilvieJr]

Personal notes: Love springs from the heart which is transfigured(transformed into something more beautiful or elevated) by the knowledge of the presence of God. Take the Bible seriously but not literally. Creation/Genesis--God created all.

[colincraft]

I do hope that those who listen to this lecture will also read the New Testament for themselves. There were a few places I felt Dr. Ward misrepresented what it says, at least a bit.

[bjones]

The comments on this thread are great!Real truth seekers working this out for themselves😀❗️

[weeperman]

Right on point. The argument that the resurrection never happened based on differences in the accounts is a complete misunderstanding of the mentality of the gospel writers and their times. People then did not obsess over these things, they understood the writers were using poetic license to relate multiple messages, layered within each other. Moderns read it and see only the superficial truth, AND GET IT WRONG.

[MikeJunior]

This is amazing! These thoughts have plagued my mind for a while now. Keith has cleared a lot up.

[Cvnswr]

One thing I do agree with, is if your faith is not working out for you, you may have to take a look and see what you truly believe. Find a place where you can trust the Teacher and his Teaching.

Matt 28:"Mary from Magdala and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. Suddenly there was a powerful earthquake. An angel of the Lord had come down from heaven and rolled the stone away and was sitting on it.The Angel rolled back the stone, right. Mark 16: Mary from Magdala, Mary, and Salome bought spices to go and anoint Jesus. vs. 3: "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb. When they looked up they saw the stone had been rolled away. vs5, "As they went into the tomb, they saw a young man. He was dressed in a white robe and sat on the right side. An unmistakable angel. vs.6 ; "Don't panic your looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has been brought back to life. He's not here.Look at the place where they laid him.Go and tell his disciple and Peter that he's going ahead of them to Galille. There they will see him, just as he told them. One Angel.Luke 24: vs1: "Very early on Sunday morning the women went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb. When they went in, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. ... two men in clothes that that were as bright as lightning stood beside them. Two Angels. The men asked the women. " Why are you looking for the dead among the living one.? He's not here. He has been brought back to life. John 20: vvs1. "Early on Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary from Magdala went to the tomb. She saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb's entrance. 20 vs 11: Mary, however stood there and cried as she looked at the tomb. As she cried, she bent and looked inside. She saw two Angels in white clothes. They were sitting where the body of Jesus had been lying. One angel was where Jesus head had been, and the other where his feet had been. The angels asked her why she was crying. Mary said, 'They have moved my Lord, and I don't know where they've put him. After she said this, she turned around and Jesus was standing there." This guy better rethink his position and he better do it soon. If he does not believe Jesus is coming for his Church and the final Judgement, he better thing about this too. The sooner the better.

[josephscuruchi]

Yes in Matthew it does say not a jot will pass away but in Matthew 15: 11 its says"What goes into a man's mouth does not make him unclean"