Analyzing Evil Remastered: John Kramer From The Saw Franchise

Hello everyone and welcome to the remastered eleventh episode of Analyzing Evil! Our feature character for this video is John Kramer from the Saw Franchise. I hope you enjoy, and thanks for watching. If you have any feedback or questions feel free to let me know below!

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[HeisenbergTheFirst]

The fact that Tobin Bell is still playing Jigsaw at his age is terrific, amazing actor.

[fortheloveofgodlaugh]

Idk man, locking a naked man in a room with broken glass on the floor, coating him in flammable jelly, poisoning him, and giving him a candle, and saying "good luck" is pretty murder if I've ever seen murder.

[teagenmanning]

The line “complex lore” overcut with the image of him in that hoodie and backward baseball cap disguise is gold

[imsomewhatcertain]

John claims he’s not a murderer because his traps kill his victims. However, John built the traps with the intention of killing the victim if they lose the game. He wants his victims to reevaluate their lives, but he does it while having murderous intents.

[jameslough]

Another hole in John’s philosophy is that he regularly uses innocent family members of his victims in his tests. Eric Matthews’s son, Jeff’s wife, and Lawrence Gordon’s family are all examples of this. These people 100% DID NOT deserve to be part of his games. 

In addition, John is also willing to straight up kill people who survive his games if they did not complete them in the way that he intended. The most obvious example of this is when he leaves Adam to die at the end of the first film, despite Adam surviving his game.

John is a deeply delusional man. And this is reflected in his philosophy

[MrfrogAXN]

I can’t help to like John, even though he does psychotic stuff. I think that’s because of Tobin’s bells performance as him, truly captivating.

[edgyman-fk]

John Kramer has a sinister charisma that makes no sense because he's just an incredibly intelligent creep with a warped moral compass. Tobin Bell is just that magnetic and compelling of a performer.

[nicknamed]

I find the concept of Jigsaw pretty interesting. He genuinely thinks he is helping people, but we see his actions are still evil and hypocritical. Like they said in saw 2, "putting a gun to someones head and forcing them to pull the trigger is still murder."

It doesn't matter what John says, what he does is blatant murder. It doesn't matter if everyone has a chance to escape, or if they died only to his traps, he is still killing them, no matter how much he claims to want to help them.

It's ironic that John claims to despise murderers, but is blind to being just as bad as those people he hates.

[anedgedancer]

So i watched the first Saw the other week, and noticed in a flashback that his cancer is affecting his brain. The specific areas of the brain were the prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for inhibition control, impulsivity, and emotional regulation. That being said, his sickness could have made his psychotic tendencies worse as he literally couldn't control himself.

[iDeathMaximuMII]

The Saw franchise is one of the most convoluted & messy series I've ever seen but also it's very entertaining to watch. John Kramer was a great villain

[stocktonjames]

Just finished a Saw marathon last week, perfect timing for this to come out! Honestly for me what makes John such a great villain, is that there’s some nuggets of truth with what he’s saying, but none of that condones the absolute horrible traps he puts people in in order to manufacture his form of “rehabilitation”. He’s like the epitome of “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”

[Thapocalipse]

Another character from the Saw franchise that deserves an episode: Amanda Young.

[arbyw.]

I think the ultimate example of John's methods being flawed is through his own apprentices. Each one either never fully believed in what he did or took advantage of the position they had.

While Logan had little involvement, his game in the 8th film was purely an act and revenge and led to pointless deaths to get to the man he wanted, who he flat out murdered.

Hoffman only took part in these games because he was blackmailed by John, and he clearly gets a sadistic pleasure out of seeing people go through these trials. Not to mention how many murders he commits in the 6 and 7th films.

Amanda just loses faith in John's methods by Saw 3, sure she was blackmailed by Hoffman but the doubt was clearly still there and i imagine the events of Saw X had something to do with leading her to making unwinnable traps.


Gordon we know the least about, but the fact that he seems to have had little involvement in most of the traps and kept his involvement the most secret tells me he wanted to just be done with it all and move on, especially by the time he killed Hoffman.

[bruceleeds]

I would believe that John truly believes "killing is distasteful" I'd Saw X didn't exploit one glaring contradiction to that claim:
John FANTASIZED that the pickpocket lost the vacuum trap, as opposed to succeed. This implies his instinct to inflict maximum punishment on all contestants. By nature, he IS a killer.

[nicholasolsen]

First time I ever saw Tobin Bell was in Goodfellas. He plays Jimmy’s parole officer, but you’ll miss him if you blink.

I’m so glad Tobin Bell’s preparation and opportunity came with a little luck.

He was a solider in the Hollywood game for years. He finally found niche for himself as the dark vigilante John Kramer.

He has become an iconic face to a cinematic institution, and I find it difficult to see anyone else as Jigsaw.

Props to you, Mr. Bell!

[cadillacdeville]

His tactics/traps are also EXTREMELY well thought out (all things considered).

[maskedman]

Finally a video that can highlight Saw ridiculous narcissistic and hypocritical tendencies. I'm tired of people defending jigsaw for being sympathetic and not being a murderer (He is). And Saw further highlighted his Pyschopathic tendencies.

[PcGamerify]

John Kramer!!!! Its amazing that Tobin Bell is still rocking him in his 80s!

[commie_maybe]

I'd ask how Amanda was supposed to retrieve the key from that man's stomach without cutting him open when you say none of John's game was used to assure the death of any participant.

Induced vomiting, perhaps. But let's not pretend John gave everyone a fair chance at survival, especially when their lives were in the hands of others.

[overlord]

Doesn't he make some traps where multiple people are outright competing for survival? And some where the people in peril are at the complete mercy of someone else to save them?
The 'everyone can survive my traps bro, they just need that will2live' line is bull