Who Is The Real Villain Of UNDERTALE? Undertale Theory | UNDERLAB

While we encounter many morally questionable characters within Undertale, none of them are truly evil, so to speak. Asgore was forced to make a decision he never wanted to make, Flowey can't control himself, and Chara is a mystery beyond explanation. Still, there's no denying that something evil exists within the game--how else is something as morbid as the genocide path possible? The answer isn't 'the player', but something much more compelling...

Underlab explores the secrets and obscurities of UNDERTALE, that game everyone seems obsessed with. There's a lot of said secrets and obscurities. Like, a lot. It also showcases and explains the lore and story of the game in an attempt to explain, clarify, and perhaps even discover completely new stuff...

UNDERTALE is a game by Toby Fox
"Best Friend" art by Moofinseeker
Harry Wakamatsu created the UNDERTALE replica fonts used in this video
UNDERTALE sprites ripped by The Spriters Resource community (thanks UnderFail, JamminJelly and ILLUUM)
UNDERTALE OST extended by Elu Tran
Extremely convenient save states provided by HylianAngel
Special thanks to my best friend(s)

Who Is The Real Antagonist Of UNDERTALE?
Who Is The True Villain Of UNDERTALE?
Who Is The True Antagonist Of UNDERTALE?

[KingMusicalMel]

Maybe I should take a shot at being a villain... Hm, who knows!

[wmastt.b.]

Flowey: It's KILL OR BE KILLED!!!
Frisk: Flowey, have a snickers.
Flowey: WHY?
Frisk: You're not you when you're hungry.
(Flowey eats Snickers)
Frisk: Better?
Asriel: Better.

[meliisaweirdhecc]

I dont understand how everybody forgave flowey and NOT ASGORE

[pancake]

I think the real villian is






the hole, if it wasn't there no one would get hurt

[nats]

Huh.
Determination stops you dying.
That means Determination stops you being terminated
De-Termination.

[d-man]

The true villain is...

...The Number One Villain...

*R O B B I E R O T T E N*

[brickmastere]

The Comments
20% - "Jerry is the true villain"
79% - "The Toxic Fandom/The fandom is the enemy/the cancerous 12 year olds"




1% - Something else

[satisfiedsoul]

10:25 xD "flowey and the amalgamates" sounds like a good band name xD lol what??

[lonko]

"What an excessive amount of determination can do"
CALLED IT DETERMINATION IS A DRUG

[laceystarsimpson]

'this evil possessed child'

GET THE HOLY WATER

[ghostybunn]

*"It's me! I'm secretly evil!"*

*"Okay, not really."*

Alphys you are so cute.

[jinig]

Open your eyes people, the villain of the UT world is the annoying dog, aka Toby Fox. Think about this, a small Pomeranian managed to create a world by randomly barking, if I'm not mistaken, right? (based on the secret room at the end of the game). Fair enough, this alone doesn't make him a villain at all, but think about this, the annoying dog upsets the player's path by constantly making the game more difficult and creates trouble for the characters: steals Toriel's phone, randomly appears to destroy Papyrus's special attack, and most importantly, STEALS THE ARTEFACT (which for all we know, could contain the cure to cancer, or the cure to Flowey's soullessness). Notice how the dog intervenes at certain points in the game to create a mess for everything. I hardly doubt that this small pup named Toby Fox is as innocent of a dog as he looks. I truly think this creature is hiding something; thus is more mysterious than Gaster. Also if this annoying dog is as omnipotent as it looks ( and he objectively is omnipotent because he managed to give you infinite residue after all), then why doesn't that same dog prevent the player from fully committing Genocide (where it would make more sense for it to intervene), or more importantly, if it is so powerful, IT SHOULD HAVE PREVENTED THE WAR OF MONSTERS AND MANKIND FROM EVER TAKING PLACE TO BEGIN WITH. But nah, the dog just fucks with everyone, doesn't he? :P Annoying Dog= Toby= Itanimulli= More Evil than Chara or the player! Triangle confirmed!

[abc-qhfc]

The villain is you,
You reset their lives,
You pull the strings,
You kill them thousands of times,
Yet it's all a game to you,
For that's what it is.

[SilverFurredKage]

Determination is a force that can go either way:

One can be -Determined- to set things right, and cause no harm (Pacifist)
One can also be -Determined- to bring everything to an end (Genocide)

I thought the message therein was obvious:
"Sheer Willpower is a force that can do anything, so long as one never gives up."

What got to me while playing Undertale was that certain monsters could retain recollection of past events; namely Asgore... You can confront him about the fact that he's killed you before (if you die), and he acknowledges it... It made me really wonder if the defeated humans got to him, and fought until they simply gave up.

I also believe Flowey is an analogue to the player behind the screen, one who has 'seen it all, and grown bored' (which would lead to said person possibly committing grossly reprehensible acts, because 'they can't feel anymore for the characters' and 'it might be fun to see something new'... Which, given the context of being able to 'reset' and erase that damage... seems to seethe with malicious intent already...

[jeremyruben]

Title: who is the true villain of Undertale?
Me: Jerry

[gurogoth]

"Try not to wake up in the middle of the night with freaky red eyes under the control of Chara"
Me: Awww! Why not?

[xandernightmare]

So this is my opinion to the whole "Chara isn't evil" discussion.


Well Chara... That's a complex topic. I wouldn't say that Chara is pure evil and he/she is definitly not the main villain of the genocide route but i wouldn't say that Chara is jesus reinkarnation either. He/she is what Asriel tells us "not the nicest person". Chara isn't black or white. He/she walks in this small line i would call grey.
I'm not a person that blames Chara for the whole genocide think. I think that is the same thing as calling Asriel a crazy murderer for the things he has done when he was Flowey. Although here comes this littel hole where we aren't able to tell things for sure:

Chara and Asriel accidently poisened the cake for Asgore. Chara just laugh over it (If i remember right how he/she reacted) This could be a way of Chara to hide his/her feeling of guilt or Chara might has really found that funny. we can't say that for sure.
When Asriel and Chara were in the village Chara wanted to kill the humans. There are many possible reasons why he/she wanted that. 1: Chara doesn't wanted Asriel to die. 2: Chara wanted to kill them so they could get the seven souls to free the monsters. 3: Chara just hated humanity so much that they just wanted to kill all of them and didn't even want to stop there.
Now here comes the thing: We can't really say why he/she reacted like he/she did. As long that there is no proof to that we can't really say for sure if Chara is A: completly innocent B: Just a kid who would kill someone to save the monsters or C: A crazy kid who wanted to destroy humanity.

And even IF Chara came out to be a C i would not blame them for it. If Chara is a C than he/she is just what megalovania tells us. A megalomaniac. A person with an obsessiv dessire for power. A person who goes crazy if you only feed them with enough power. Would it make him/her in that case completly innocent? No. Would it excuse all the things that would have happened if Chara really would have destroyed humanity back there? NO. But at least i would say that it kind off makes him/her a littel, just a littel bit more innocent in all this.

That's why i would say that Chara is in the grey zone. To everyone who has read this far i must advice you to think further. There isn't just black and white. There are many shades of grey (... That can't be normal english i talk here -_-) So please, just watch the next topics you discuss from all different sides.

Sorry if my english is bad. It isn't my first language

[chefmott]

It was obviously the snowman in snowdin!

[savagedonttrip]

Flowey and the amaglmates(?):
Hit singles
1. We will survive
2. De-termination
3. Dear, human
4. Going in back in time on determination

[crafted_myth]

Determination can be used for both good and evil. Yes, it was what allowed you to do the genocide, but it's also what allowed you to survive Asriel's final attack in the pacifist run. Maybe it depends on how much self control the player has.