Fact: Your OLED TV is Not Bright Enough for HDR. Here's Why.

We demonstrate why a high peak brightness is important for an OLED TV to accurately reproduce the creator's intent by preserving more specular highlight detail, in response to some Youtube comments saying that "OLED TV is already bright enough, so you don't need more brightness" from the likes of the LG G1 Evo OLED or the Sony A90J Master Series OLED.

This video demonstration was done using two LG CX, one calibrated to 400 nits peak brightness in HDR, the other to its natural maximum peak brightness of 650 nits in HDR.

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[zorroknowsbetter]

It’s clear some of you didn’t watch this video. Vincent isn’t saying that OLED is suddenly a terrible technology to buy into, he’s just saying that it’s a fact that LED handle HDR content in brighter scenes much better then OLED. That’s been known for a while now and it isn’t some new phenomenon, as a OLED TV owner you understand that your sacrificing brightness and maximum HDR detail for dark scenes that look absolutely stunning compared to a LED screen with its halo effects.

[xNameless]

A lot of negativity here... All the man is trying to tell you is that with future OLEDS, with higher brightness potential, will not only mean a brighter TV but better presentation of actual HDR content! Where more details are preserved in scenes with High Dynamic Range content, pretty simple stuff...

[socratese]

Imagine having Vincent over to watch a movie. 😂
It’s like inviting a famous chef over to eat dinner at your place.

[LazyCrazyGuy]

It amazes me at how offended people get if something negative is said about the technology of your choice. Everyone knows there isn't a perfect tv technology available. How else will tech companies continue selling their newer tech if something is already perfect? Vincent has always been honest about the drawbacks of all worlds. If you chose to ignore it then that's on you. I bought multiple LCD's and one OLED, none of them were perfect but the one that impressed me the most was the 75Z9D. That's what I stuck with and to be honest OLED is not for me. I'm a gamer and I put in lots of hours. OLED was too dim and unspectacular with HDR content.

[jerghal]

When I bought my LG OLED 65 B7V I knew that peak brightness would be lower (700 nits at 10% coverage max) but the black level detail is so much better so that what's important to me. I've watched about 250 HDR10 en DV films on it and I can't say the limited peak brightness is a big problem. Sure, it could be better, but a lot of HDR movies (certainly older ones) have indeed SDR level brightness. And the better ones look excellent to me because how many scenes does a movies count where if goes over the peak brightness capabilities of your OLED TV? Very very few I'm sure. But very good explanation of the PQ curve and excellent video!

[mikesaladguy]

Im an OLED owner and fanboy. This is a good video and its very fair. The issue is that for me to get more NITS I then have to trade that off and lose my perfect blacks, unlimited contrast & viewing angles. Its not worth it to me but scientifically this video is accurate and well done. No argument. No TV tech is perfect.

[nathangreen]

I had the 2018 Vizio P Series Quantum, which was Insanely bright. like 2400 nits bright. The HDR highlights were insane... I now own the LG C9 and find that the highlights aren't as blinding but the contrast and complete lack of haloing and light bleed from LED TVs is a more pleasing image. The HDR highlights still pop at a fraction of the peak brightness due to the fact it has perfect contrast ratio.

[willstevens]

Vincent is definitely right when it comes to sunshine. Thankfully I have a terrible sleep schedule so I’m mostly watching at night.

[pichaelthompson]

LOL. These comments. Okay; I am an LG GX owner here and have my screen in a mostly dark room. I absolutely LOVE the picture quality of my OLED. Everything looks so good on PS5 and even HDR content on Netflix and Blu ray.

Would I be stoked if I could get my screen brighter by 20%?
You betcha.

Does it mean this tv sucks? Nope.

Do I wish I’d have gotten the Samsung QLED? Not at all—not even the 8k.

Is Vincent accurate when he says that OLED brightness isn’t good enough for bright specular highlights? He is. And I totally agree.

Yet I can still love my current TV.

Crazy.

[ashtonsequeira]

Vincent: Tells me to buy OLED
Also Vincent:Its not bright enough

[MAR-jqco]

Ok so let me lay this all to rest. I am a techie, love my tech and recently got an a80j. My wife has no idea about tech, we had a Sony led before. She said something while we were watching daredevil which hit me. She said it feels like that is happening in our room. The picture on an oled just looks so much more realistic then an led. Sure, an led can get more brighter but that is not realistic, we have just got used to it. Remember, plasmas had a max nit of 100 and were considered to have the better picture quality. Because we have got used to seeing unrealistic images on traditional TV's it takes a while getting used to a realistic image, once you do there is no going back.

[shamlotbestrhapsever]

A thumbs up for LOTR as reference material.

[redrock]

Seems a pretty fair assessment. I'd still go OLED as I watch 99% of the time in the evening in a dimly lit room. Brighter OLEDs are a welcome upgrade and should be plenty good enough until microled arrives. Remember it's horses for courses, buy the technology that best suits your use case.

[arashjahn]

This is a very difficult composition to illustrate with ISO challenges from a camera. Great job Vincent. Your messaging was overwhelmingly evident on my 77” CX in 4K using the native YouTube app.

[Zack-dkpt]

i get it. so its not simply about overall brightness but the difference in brightness between different pixels to show detail where limiting peak brightness does not allow for specific pixels to reach a different level of brightness compared to those around it in order to show affected details in the image. its like being color blind for light levels. think of the cards used to determine color blindness. they use specific varying colors to show numbers. by removing a color(limit peak brightness in a sense) you remove the number from the image that would have otherwise been detectible. its why being able to display more shades of any color allow for more detail to be shown in images that use mostly or all of the same exact color.

[gman]

This was one of biggest deterrents against getting an OLED (besides the very small chance of burn in). It is a double-edged sword when it comes to TV tech and going for either perfect blacks, or higher peak brightness.

[basicwithbrian]

it's interesting to me that most people end up squinting there eyes when looking at bright objects and I must admit I often look at darker items in a bright scene.

[eternalbeing]

It is a trade-off between the two. I prefer the oled with inky colors over the bright led lcd.

[Hunspikey]

Vincent nailed it again. After years of publication of this video OLED tech matured and now it is fully capable displaying the 650nit content. Im a G3 owner and the content is exactly the same as the reference becuase the G3 is capable to display 650nits easily (in fact its double is also okey for her). So Vincent was right!

[Niberspace]

The world of HDR would be so lacking without this guy, thank god there's still someone out there who's willing to dig deep