KingdomCraft: Is Baptism required for salvation?

I talk more about the Presbyterian view of the sacraments in this video:

And about infant baptism in this video:

Music:
The first song is the music for Psalm 124 of the Genevan Psalter by Claude Goudimel. The lyrics to that can be found here:

The rest of the music is written by me.

[christianmetaldreamur]

I thought it was really interesting that you mentioned rebaptism. I personally have a very intersting experience with this. The first time I got baptised, I got baptised as a Jehovah's Witness at age 14. And I was getting baptized seeing it as a devoting my life to God, and I meant it genuinly. And at that time, for many years after, and for many years prior, I saw myself as a devout Jehovah's Witness and believed the Jehovah's Witnesses were the true religion and God's people. However, when I was baptised, I just felt weird. Like, even though I genuinly meant it, I jusy felt so empty about it after doing it and really just felt a deeper sense shame than I had before. I never talked about it beacuse I knew people would look down on me or question me for it, but I always felt like my baptism was invalid. I didn't know that I could be sure about it but I just had this deep sense that it wasn't. Someone even asked me the day I got baptised if I felt different and thats when it hit me that I felt nothing, but I lied and said I did. But I did feel different, I felt weird, and thats what tipped me off that something wasn't right. And when I finally came to know the true gospel (which happened gradualy over a few years), I was able to be sure that my baptism was fake and I left that cult, was studying the bible for myself a lot, only with God's help, incuding drawing my own conclusions about baptism, and I got my real baptism. I was not baptised into any denomination or church. I was baptized by my dad in my neighbors swimming pool in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And that baptism was definitely real and I did feel something. I knew that I was redeemed by Christ alone and saved and that my sins where washed away. And I felt Joy. My neighbor who's pool I was baptised in even said that his hairs were standing on end because he could see the Holy Spirit on me!

[maximgruner]

This is a really good video. I’m Baptist myself but I must say this view of baptism seems to be much more inline with the Bible than the symbolic view, and the fact that it’s the traditional position is telling as well.

I myself was baptized Catholic as a baby but then I became an atheist and when I converted to Christianity as an adult I was baptized in a baptist church. I saw it as symbolic at the time so I’m curious what you’d have to say about that.

[jordantowner]

I already left a comment on the Lordship Salvation video about how baptism's assurance of salvation so I won't repeat that. But...

A plain reading of 1 Peter 3:21 says quite the opposite of what is often quoted. "and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God" (NIV) If you read past the first part of the verse, Peter makes clear that the physical act being cleansed with water is NOT what saves but instead the pledge of a clear conscience. So that first part of the verse is being taken so far out of context that the false interpretation is completely contradictory to what the verse actually says. Reading the whole verse I can't understand another way to interpret it.

Also you seem to be contradicting yourself regarding baptism's relationship to faith. At 1:46 in the video you explicitly say "Baptism is something that needs to happen before we can have faith." Yet as you said later, it is possible in extreme situations for someone to have faith and be saved. Yet extreme circumstances aren't required for this not to add up. To take your situation, for example, you said you did not receive a "valid" baptism as an infant and did not become aware of this until 5 years after your salvation. It's not unreasonable to assume that a whole lot more genuine Christians never had a "valid" baptism either as an infant or as an adult and never realized it. These are not extreme circumstances and this situation is not uncommon (especially depending on what one considers a valid baptism lol). So are all these people damned since they had plenty of opportunities to be baptized yet did not? Assuming the answer is "no", then baptism is NOT something that needs to happen before faith. This is also only one example of a reason why a Christian might not be baptized; others may include denomination traditions (Salvation Army), lack of personal or Holy Spirit conviction for baptism, general inability, etc. And these can't all just be exceptions to the rule of faith requiring baptism.

[turkeybobjr]

I was baptised as a baby in the Methodist Church. I know for a fact baptism does not regenerate you. I was an atheist until I was 23. I got re baptised (actually baptised) several months after I was actually "regenerated" (a doctrinal term, not Biblical term) by putting my faith in God. I was saved in that moment and God called me to Baptism, which I was obedient in doing. My baby baptism did nothing to regenerate me and I didn't even receive a calling from God to be baptised until post faith.

[rostyq]

I don’t believe that to be re baptized is a sin. I’m a Catholic doing Baptist Bible study and at the end of Matthew, Jesus said that the apostles should go out and baptize people in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. After much prayer I decided I wanted to be baptized again of my own volition as a profession of my personal relationship with Jesus. I don’t see how you can say I sinned by being baptized again.

[bigboineptune]

The Church of Christ has the most bizarre and contradictory view of baptism, they affirm baptismal regeneration but are against infant baptism.

[chumlife]

4:10 You can’t just twist the rules to your liking, either it’s entirely necessary or entirely not.

It’s the definition of NECESSARY

[BookZealots]

baby baptism isn't in scripture. Ah, this is where I will have to disagree. Baptism in the "trinity" are titles, not the name of the God of those titles, as the scripture says.

[louannebvb]

Baptists when I read John 3:5 to them: 😮😢😨🤯

[alvarovilela]

I know the video is 5 months old. But I wanted to clear something up about the scenario in 4:20 of the plane crashing, because you said even a Catholic would agree. The Catholic doctrine would agree IMO. The Catechism says the following:

Contrition is defined as [CCC 1451] sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again.

[CCC 1452] When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called "perfect" (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.

[CCC 1453] The contrition called "imperfect" (or "attrition") is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin's ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear). Such a stirring of conscience can initiate an interior process which, under the prompting of grace, will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution. By itself however, imperfect contrition cannot obtain the forgiveness of grave sins, but it disposes one to obtain forgiveness in the sacrament of Penance.

[CIC 916] A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition, which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.

I would agree, even if you have not received baptism, you would be saved if there is an act of perfect contrition. If you believe in God, truly repent out of love for God and intend to get baptised (which I imagine would also imply intent to confess after baptism) then you have achieved perfect contrition and are therefore saved. In fact, the situation of the plane crashing before confession is a very typical example used to explain the concept.
I hope this clears things up in case anyone was wondering about it.

[noahtylerpritchett]

Baptism confirms your thought believes into salvation through sincerity as confirmation to what was but your own mental activation.

People who are faithful but doubt their salvation remember that by faith were baptized. They are Christian.
Be at peace.

That's why i utterly uphold the doctrine of salve baptismus.
Or salvation by baptism. A act of faith.
People think conversion is exclusively "dear God im a sinner forgive me amen" and that is correct that salve oratio (salvation by prayer) saves, but not everyone who believes in Christianity knows how to pray.
But by faith their thoughts becomes loyal action to the saving grace of baptism.

And i utterly damn those who see no power in baptism to those who are faithful.

But also utterly damn force baptisms who think baptism is magic water. Because it destroys the understanding of divine grace. By faith.

Deathbed salvation is the exempt exception.

Baptism is not required for salvation but baptism is important as it' a command of Christ.

[Santiago-chmo]

Thoughts on the thief on the cross. Was he saved or no?

[Baraodojaguary]

But does a catholic baptism count? Even if we are protestant not catholic

[jakebalma]

Hello brother! I'd like you to see this comment not as an attack on your or your beliefs, but rather, something to consider when engaging in the idea of "is baptism necessary for salvation?"
In Romans, Paul states in chapter 1 verse 16 that "the gospel of the power of God unto salvation" meaning, whatever the gospel is, it is sufficient for salvation, and in the previous verses, Paul speaks of being ready to preach the gospel in Rome. So wherever Paul is going, he is preaching the means by which God has established by which man must be saved: which is the Gospel.
Now, in 1 Corinthians 1:14, Paul speaks of NOT baptizing any of them (expect a select few).
I hope you see the point of this comment, that Paul preached the gospel (which, whatever it is, is all that is needed for salvation), and wasn't baptizing people, therefore baptism is not essential for salvation.

I hope you see one of the reasons I would believe baptism is not a necessity for God's plan of salvation, and at least spend some time meditating on it!
Have a blessed day :)

[jasonbolejack]

FAITH ONLY will not save you: James 2:24 - Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

[amariwilliams]

I think the concepts of salvation and baptism are bessed placed within a timeline. First you must hear the gospel preached (Romans 10:17). What is the message of the Gospel? That we have all sinned against the one true God, and have earned death and eternal damnation, but God has sent a sacrifice to die in your place, his one and only begotten son Jesus of Nazareth. How do we know? Because Jesus did many wonders and signs that only one sent by God could do, and he taught that he was the Son of God. Also, he taught that he was Lord of all as the Father has granted everthying to him (Matthew 11:27). Thus we must look to Jesus in order to find salvation and accept his sacrifice. And what did Jesus tell his followers to do? To make disciples, baptize them in His name, and teach them to obey his teachings (Matthew 28:16-20). How did they begin to do this? They preached the message of Jesus, who he was, what he did, and that He is Lord and Messiah. In those who heard, understood, and accepted that message asked "what should [they] do?" In response Peter told them to repent (of sin) and be baptized (in water) (Acts 2).

If you have heard the Gospel of Jesus preached and accept the message and are thinking, "what should I do?" the answer is to repent and be baptized.

If you argue about the meaning of baptism, I refer to the fact that the writers of the New Testament either mention water with baptism in passing, or not at all, meaning they expected their audience to understand their meaning. The earliest baptism in chronological order in the New Testament is baptism administered by John, which happened at a river. This was full submersion. Jesus was first baptized with John's baptism. He then taught his disciples to baptize others at the same river that John was at. Then before ascending to heaven Jesus says baptize in His name. His disciple's model of baptism would be full submersion. 1 Peter 3 shows the flood as a sign of baptism. The flood fully submerged the earth, even well above mountain tops (Gen 7:20). Even the Ethiopian eunuch who was literally in the middle of the desert came across a body of water and wanted to be baptized. If submersion were not necessary, he surely would have been sprinkled with the drinking water he had.

This models the old testament in which the Jews had faith in God, acknowledged their sin, washed themselves with water, and made an animal sacrifice to be made clean. We must have faith in God as trinity, acknowledge our sin and need for atonement, and be washed, accepting the sacrifice that has already been made by and in Jesus.

[Baptist]

Water baptism doesn’t save you or wash away your sins. And yes. Water baptism is a work what we do. We’re the one who get immersed and get wet and come out. It’s our work and baptism doesn’t save us. Baptism is public declaration of inward change. Baptism is good thing but not for salvation. I doubt that you’re Presbyterian. Presbyterian doesn’t believe baptism saves.
Faith alone saves you and blood of Christ wash away our sins. We’re saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Baptism is a fruit of true faith like other good works.

[GR]

In reading the Church fathers, it is safe to say they did not teach salvation by faith alone, at least not to the understanding that Luther and other reformers did. Although some Church fathers did express 'faith alone", it was in the context of charity. In other words, the fathers taught "sola fide formata" which means faith formed by charity.
I love what Irenaeaus had to say about baptismal regeneration:

"First of all, it admonishes us to remember that we have received baptism for the remission of sins in the name of God the Father, and in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became incarnate and died and was raised, and in the Holy Spirit of God; and that this baptism is the seal of eternal life and is rebirth onto God, that we be no more children of mortal men, but of the eternal and everlasting God.
- Irenaeus of Lyons (a disciple of Polycarp of Smyrna), [d. 202 AD], "Proof of Apostolic Preaching".

[TocnaelStarcraft]

"Born of water" means being born into the physical world, when the mother's water breaks