Coding Bootcamps Are Out Of Control...

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[eduardoparra]

All i got from this is Johnny sins really cares

[thestraycat]

Hell even the colleges are basically self taught at this point...

[DThompsonDev]

I will always suggest learning on your own first, but some people can only learn with a laid out curriculum and time table. I teach at a bootcamp (that is completely free) and some people just really learn well in a bootcamp environment plus employment help but there is no way I would recommend a 15k to 30k bootcamp. no way at all. You could literally pay a mentor for one on one training and still come out cheaper than 15k!

[ke]

“During the gold rush its a good time to be in the pick and shovel business”
― Mark Twain

[TresnaSahabakti]

self taught is the best way today, just make google your best friend for learning

[netskater]

Coding Boot camps are really sus. I tried to apply for one and end up receiving over 20 calls and emails every day to "listen" to the sales pitch for the program. Anything that is that desperate seems very scammy.

[Jizeppi]

I recently graduated Coding Dojo and I thought it was actually very good. I started self taught but I’m the kind of person who needs a laid out curriculum and a set path on what to learn, and from where I was when I started to where I am now is a lot better. I’m not saying “Oh I’m an expert and have so many jobs lined up” no, not at all. But it did help me elevate my skill level

[citizenalex]

I ALMOST signed up for a bootcamp. I'm still learning but never been more proud to be a self-taught.

[nerea]

I agree with you on some points, but I believe it depends on each individual's personality and learning style. In my case, I was self-taught for 3 years. I learned HTML, CSS, Bootstrap and intermediate JS (no ES6). Then I realized I had been stuck for about a year doing the same silly DOM mini games. I enrolled in a 3K front end bootcamp and after 3 months I was able to build a my first React app and find a job. I don't regret it at all.

[gabrielhicks]

Things you pay for at a bootcamp:
1) Alumni network
2) Career Services
3) Accountability/Structure
- Peers learning alongside you

You can absolutely learn to code for free and should seek out those types of materials. Ask someone to be an accountability partner, ask a bootcamp grad what their schedule/curriculum looked like. I went to a bootcamp, it made sense for me because I was moving across the country and had little to no connections. I think bootcamps have something to offer, but I’m against the high tuition costs for bootcamps and traditional learning in general.

[javier]

Every type of learning is self learning. You literally cannot transfer knowledge from a teacher to a student. All the teacher can do is guide you to the resources and direct your practice, show you the door. You will have to do the walking, and it doesn't matter how much you pay, you cannot avoid the work.

[robinnovak]

I am doing the Nucamp bootcamp. One thing I love about it is having a cohort who are all working on the same stuff so we can help each other and learn from each other. Also instructors are great and often willing meet on zoom, during the week to look at our code, if we get stuck on something. You can definitely do free or inexpensive tutorials... but Nucamp was worth the money to me!

[StephanParra]

My thoughts:
1. I agree 30k is a scam for any kind of education.
2. I would, however, argue that even though there are more resources now there are also more distractions online now that make learning confusing and leave big gaps when it comes to mastering a topic.
3. Boot camps in my opinion are there to give your education direction and avoid any unnecessary waste of time on distractions online. And to connect you with a community that will help you fill any gaps. I know you say you can do all of that on your own but it is very confusing to find the right resources nowadays and boot camps give you the resources and that probably saves many months of time and effort so the learner can solely focus on learning. Bootcamps also give help on finding a job which is the main end goal for many people to be in the coding industry. And without a certificate it may be more challenging for an individual who learned online to prove their knowledge.
4. Lastly I would appreciate if you gave the viewers a guided advice on how to complete a coding education online for free. You brag a lot about how you accomplished it, and kudos to you, you also trash bootcamps (which only real problem I see with them is the price) but that doesn’t help Your viewers or seeking students to get closer to accomplishing what they would in a bootcamp...

[RA-xxmz]

I just finished App Academy in Nov. The value of the boot camp really is in having 1) someone who knows more than you to ask questions to 2) A community that creates a sense of accountability and others to learn from.

There are two ways to pay for things. You can pay with time or you can pay with money. Pay with money. You can’t make more time. A bootcamp will make you more money.

[SMarie]

Not everyone wants to have an isolated experience. I want to have the in person experience to collaborate with my cohort, ask questions then and there, be able to gauge my learning by how others are performing (I believe this will lessen the imposter syndrome) and create relationships that hopefully down the line I can ask questions from. A bootcamp is best for me.

[onlyRyanRoger]

I started self taught, then I did an in person code bootcamp that was totally worth it. Connections made helped me get my first job in a covid world.

I'd never do an entirely online bootcamp. There was 8 in my cohort. Loads of support.

[MarcoDeb]

I agree. I paid around 6000 dollars for Code Institute. And I’m regretting it. I learn much more on Udemy or YouTube than I do on their curriculum.
But I’m gonna complete the bootcamp anyway since I paid for it.

[awesomechen]

I'm a Lambda alumni, and I can verify that Lambda's curriculum has changed drastically for the past few months compared to when I was in the school, and for the worse in my opinion. I now have a job that pays 140k, but I had a BS in math from a reputable school. Lambda (and coding bootcamps in general) teach web development, but not problem solving. My experience is that for what Lambda offers back in the days, it's worth around 20k, not the 30k that I'm now paying under ISA terms, and certainly not for the recent changes in course curriculum.

[Antnierv]

Loved my boot camp experience and ended up switching careers! Met great peers and the setting pushed me to work very hard every day to learn! Definitely recommend it if you know you work well in a group setting with peers and don’t want to go through it alone! The structured curriculum and pressure helps too. Don’t feel bad if you want to do it!

[dajackhammer]

I attended lambda school. Lambda School was designed remote-first so there’s no issues with difference between in-person or not. Most people use the ISA option, which I’m very satisfied with the terms of. They have a prorated cost if you withdraw before you finish the core curriculum. There are issues with the transition from team leads to the new model, but I see why they’re making the change. They should have kept the old model for current students and new students should’ve been on the new model. The big benefit of lambda is the job search help they offer. The new fellowship program basically lets you get an internship that converts to a full job without having to interview. Lambda matches the student to a company.