Orthodoxy and the Atonement

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[larry]

Every day you get me closer to converting

[JoshAlicea]

After years of investigating the Orthodox “phronema”, watching Jonathan Pageau, and separating myself from any western “biblical” thought, I can now say that I understand. Such a more beautiful view of salvation is found in the Orthodox Church.

[NavelOrangeGazer]

That was beautifuly stated Seraphim, how important proper Christology is to understanding salvation!

[naminaoberhausen]

God and man in one, becoming one with God, no longer being seperate from our creator and all His wisdom, goodness, and eternal life.

[jozitro]

The entirety of God is so powerful and frightening that he had made the word become flesh as a holy homunculus to be the comfort in judgement as we face a man that knows suffering and temptation. 🕊🌈

[andys]

‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭15:54‭-‬55‬ ‭So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?”

The part where you said God died reminds of this verse where it says "Death is swallowed up in victory." I picture death trying to consume Christ in the grave and when it comes in contact with Him, it is swallowed up by an all consuming light. There's this paradox where Jesus, the eternal Logos, must die in order to bring life. It blows my mind.

[dwgauntlett]

Now that I was given Orthodoxy, I get it. Every other religion is based on a spiritual misunderstanding, but suits the understanding of those who need it. Christ liberates us from our limitations because He truly is Infinite and actually knows better what we need than we do ourselves in our own pov. Christ is True Objectivity than can see us perfectly in our subjective state.

[orpheusasmr]

I would love to see a video comparing atonement models

[jdsmithk]

Wow, this is absolutely foreign to the protestant understanding of the atonement! I was taught and raised on penal substitutionary atonement and imputed righteousness. That it was all about Christ taking the wrath of God for our sins so that God could forgive us. Which I've always struggled to understand how that is actually Just.

[cjginks]

“God is the only one in whom human beings the image of God can have life. When Adam turned away from God he fell under the condemnation of the sin of death which is ultimate separation from God. Jesus Christ is both God and Man and as God, he is infinitely filled with that divine life by which we can live. When he takes to himself a human nature identical with ours in every respect except sin. He communicates divine life to our nature and in sharing it in every aspect of our human life, he enables us to participate in every Aspect of his divine life. When Jesus Christ dies, he takes to himself the condemnation which was given to Adam, death itself. And when God himself dies, he fills that death with infinite life so that when we die in Christ, we can also live through Jesus Christ so that the penalty of our sin, and the original sin of Adam-death is overcome through him.”~ Saraphim Hamilton

[thecoopfamily]

if the wages of sin is death, and death spread to all, without exception, through one man, and Christ took death upon himself and overcame it, does not life now spread to all, without exception, through one man?

[MrGb]

I believe what you are saying is the Orthodox teaching, but do we actually term it “atonement”?

[Aaron]

When ot says "Jesus took to himself human nature, identical to ourself except sin" what is meant? That Christ is identical to us in all ways in his humanity and didn't sin. Or that we have a sinful nature yet Jesus didnt have a sinful nature (this presupposes a sinful nature).

What is meant?

[zandrey]

What do the Orthodox mean when they state that Jesus is both God and man? If Jesus is still a man even after his bodily death, has the humanity in Him been immortalized? Like a hyperstatic union? Asking from a protestant view that finds Orthodoxy interesting

[dave]

So how does this differ from the West?

[reeckstar]

There is a sense in which the penal view is correct, but not as it is normally understood. When the Son of God became man, He was born into our world, which is filled with injustice and death. Jesus, in His humanity, was not yet ascended to the right hand of the Father, so in this sense Jesus was not in the presence of God until His ascension. So He participates on our not be directly in the presence of God. Further, He took on and destroy death, which is also a penalty of our sin. However, contrary to the penal view, the Father is never against the Son and never condemns the Son. Rather, the Son voluntarily does all of this while the Father is loving Him.

[kentheengineer]

God Is The Only One Who Can Have Life, Meanwhile Who Decided That

[trikitrikitriki]

Why make death the consequence? Assuming God is all-powerful, he could have chosen something else to happen. If that's just what he says is just, he doesn't sound very all-loving.

[tripletv]

Jezus is so holy when he died death itself came alive.