Why Is Genesis 6:1-4 NOT Referring To The Sons of Seth?

Any human interpretation of the sons of God in Genesis 6 that ignores the original context for those verses - and that context is Mesopotamian religion, (specifically, the Apkallu story), is by definition out of context. If you have a commentary that is taking some other view that doesn't interact with the Apkallu material, it is obsolete, by virtue of the research that's been done more recently. Check it out!

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[alanguy]

Long ago, when I first started listening to Mike, I was smitten. As I recall, regarding "context", Mike made the statement that, "...the Bible was written FOR us, but NOT TO us. It was written FOR all people of all times, certainly. But it was written TO the people of THAT era in THEIR context." This was in reference to the fact that the ORIGINAL CONTEXT of the scriptures is crucial when we (in OUR times) study the Bible searching for answers and advice. If we, in our studies, don’t constantly keep in mind the ORIGINAL CONTEXT our studies are pretty shallow.
God bless the day I discovered Mike.

[KlintonSilvey]

I'm always impressed by all the people who KNOW what a divine being can and cannot do.

[jiffyjax]

WOW, , , reading through the comments and surprisingly I'm not surprised to read many people disagreeing with Michael. The problem I've found with christianity is most christians are quick to disagree and debate certain theologies even if they haven't studied them thoroughly. This is one of the main reasons I don't attend Church, as I've found I don't learn enough there and when I ask questions I get a confusing answer which leads to awkward conversations ( unstudied uneducated answers ). I choose to study at home on my weekends ( four hours Saturday six hours Sunday ). Michael Heiser's book The Unseen Realm is one of the best books I've studied, it's academic in weight it's to be studied not merely read. Question everything STUDY carefully before jumping on and dumping on certain theologies. Bless you, Study the Book

[John-...]

I totally agree with Dr. Heiser on this one. Chuck Missler, another one of my favorite Christian authors and speakers happens to agree with Mike on this one too. The best points Ive found, that noone can answer from the Sethite view is, If they were the righteous sons of Seth then why were they destroyed in the flood? Why was only Noah and his family spared if there were these rightous sons? Or what about the daughters of Seth, were they unrighteous because they were female? Then of course there's the elephant in the room: How were giants born to normal human parents?

[davidsarkar]

Amen ! Finally someone explained it really well ! I'm a simple man but all thanks and praise be to Jesus that He gave me this presence of mind to notice that it was written sons of God and daughters of men, not:

1. sons of God and daughters of God
2. sons of men and daughters of men
3. sons of men and daughters of God

So it was the fallen angels/watchers and human girls.

[MrCEPPaulT]

At the St Louis Art Museum, I was looking and reading about the Relief with Winged Genie carved from gypsum. “Often called a genie (apkallu in Asyrian).” As an aside, it added to making sense of this topic for me. Carry on!

[Grandliseur]

If we simply let scripture interpret scripture, Gen chapter six is revealed. What is revealed is however unacceptable to many perhaps.
Beginning with Peter: 2Pe 2:4-5 Darby 4 For if God spared not the angels who had sinned, but having cast them down to the deepest pit of gloom has delivered them to chains of darkness to be kept for judgment; 5 and spared not the old world, but preserved Noe, the eighth, a preacher of righteousness, having brought in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Comment: here the word in the kjv used for hell is tartarus (darby: deepest pit of gloom), "but cast them down to hell" G5020 Original: ταρταρόω Transliteration: tartaroō Phonetic: tar-tar-o'-o.

Another scripture shows this tartarus to be underground prisons on earth:
Jud 1:6 KJV And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Phi 2:10 KJV That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Comment: obvious reference to underground prisons!

From this we can understand that the sons of God were disobedient angels. This 'sons of God's phrase is seen here also:
Job 1:6 KJV Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 38:7 KJV When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

From this usage, we can see that Gen 6's usage of 'sons of God' also refers to angels, but disobedient ones as Peter and Jude explain. If then these disobedient angels took human females with whom they produced offspring, the Nephilim would be that offspring.

[lw]

Look up all the references to "sons of God" in the Old Testament. In their context do they refer to 'angels' or humans? I found that they refer specially to angels in almost all cases with maybe only 1 reference that was indefinite. The most famous is in the book of Job when the sons of God were meeting with Him in heaven and Lucifer showed up.

[NivellaR]

The seven apkallu are mentioned in the book of Enoch. They are seven stars that are in the ether. I believe they are seven of the watchers

[rockoable]

Monday November 30th at 3:07 in the afternoon, More nuggets, I'm ready to eat, northern Idaho's in the house ready to devour, thanks Michael.

[andyhamm]

It is a logical conclusion that the sons of gods here are fallen angels. If that wasn’t the case the entire passage wouldn’t make sense anymore. No context of Mesopotamia is required to arrive at this conclusion. It just supports this view.

[isaiahkerstetter]

I'd love to hear a discussion between you and Michael Jones of Inspiring Philosophy on this passage.

[asmrjeweler]

The passage does NOT say the Nephilim were the product of the matings. It says they were on the earth in those days when the matings happened. It also doesn't say they were giants.

[nevig]

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

So..obviously the verse above is telling you about the unseen realm that manifests in the physical. All the above is referring to Satan and his hierarchy of spirits.

Just so its undebatable :
"Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."

So 'entered into' is the same as 'went into' in any rendering of meanings.

"And there was yet a battle in Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had on every hand six fingers and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant."
2 Samuel21:20

So..Goliath is also known as "Goliath of Gath". Regardless of how anyone can try to debate it...this is not any ' natural deformity' scripture is taking about.
Some like to imagine..but you dont just get a 'race' from a few deformities.

The mighty men of old, were all you hear about...worldwide.
You can research any culture. Not everyone was a "giant" but God makes specific mention of things for specific reasons. A common thread though, is how many were "giants".

One can debate all day whether they were 3m high..5m high..What's important is the weaponry has been found and no single man can wield these..Whether 8 or 10 ft who some today might call 'giants'. These would still be tiny comparatively.

These are the parts in scripture atheists like to pick on. Oh..its an evil God! He said to kill everyone,   men..women. .children. .animals. .Burn everything!  God was wiping them out for a reason.

So, coming back to Genesis I say :

"There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men who were of old, men of renown."

Giants ..the same were the products of genetic incursion into the women.
I dont read "in unto the daughters of men" as "Angels had physical sex with women" simply because they cannot transform to actual procreative beings..But they can appear undetectably "human".

From then, to now..everything is about genetic manipulation. I shall say their ovarian tampering resulted in the genetic disaster.."Giants". Scripture is clear " Whatever has happened, will happen again".

Everything in scripture is about the two seeds, sheep & goats, wheat & tares.
" And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed"

The "seed of satan" isn't 'sperm cells'.
Its his ongoing efforts to 'mimic' the creation by genetic  tampering . Today you see bio and nanotechnology kick into higher gear. "Neural Link" attempts to plug into your psyche. What you're really becoming is a "habitation for spirits".
"Aliens" are just spirits,   conning fools..but their powers are high, with full control over the elements.

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."

So..Jesus used the scripture to silence the Sanhedrin.
Would you say "Im a god" even in jest..if Christian? (I' ll be surprised if you say yes 😊 )
God is referring to these beings.
All through scripture you'll notice God speaking on multiple levels between earth and heavenly.

Even the demons know exactly what you know about their end.

" What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us BEFORE the time? ... "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted."
..thats demons ..they already knew about the Lake of Fire and they do have a definite idea about their time span. It may not be fully apparent to them but you can be sure the know about it.
They got a shock to see Jesus at that juncture in 'time'. As minions of satan, they really had ZERO problem acknowledging "Son of God".
Its only Lucifer that was like "IF you are the Son of God...."
He knew SQUAT about God's plan..thats why he killed Jesus.

Nobody knew. Those at the time of Jesus knew nothing. .except that the Messiah would come.

But..God's plan is still rolling out.
Its summarized in this :
Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."

The genetic incursion is shown here:
“The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.".

Thats regarding satan. Genetically tampering with creation. They're continuing today..repeating pre-flood earth "tampering". It all culminates with satan sitting in the "temple of God" ( ie in human fleshly form ) as the "man of sin". Those talking physical third temple rebuilding etc..All garbage. These are all deceptions of satan for illiterates including daft Christians.

So..in a nutshell,   all the above is the duality of the "wheat and tares" running through  the entirety of the teataments.
Its taking place on multiple fronts..so while we all know Satan loses...He actually thinks he can win.

God has given him the ultimate "long rope" to hang himself. He's already told you : ' satan is the god of this age'.
Its allowed by God in this strange seeming battle. So..everything until the Second Coming of Jesus is "this age".
Its all satan's 'time'.

I know some like to say "What God can allow this..with people as the pawns in some sick game!"
These are all the wicked and scripturally illiterate. God never does anything purposelessly. You're here now. You don't know exactly when..but you do know Jesus IS coming again.

Btw, you will see nobody mention what I said about 'the sons of God' (angels) doing "genetic tampering" in that "went into the daughters of men". For all its " angels procreated with women/had physical procreative sex ".

If you consider what I said about 'Satan went into/entered Judas" you might catch what Im meaning. Its the exact same language that shows you "manipulation of his faculties" in his case.

With the "alien abduction" thing its similar. People are "inhabited" and their psyches are pierced, but they also display physical traumas. What do all the women say? "They were taking my ovaries" and similar recounts.

Everything you see in the world is encompassed in :
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

[amycanizaro]

I love your Bible Project series! Love it have watched all of these little videos, including this one on my tv on YouTube! Love your work and I thank you for sharing! Have been watching you for many years!

[scottthong]

I was really hesitant to buy in the heavenly beings view despite the many solid reasons. The last kicker that convinced me is "Why not just say so?"

If Gen 6 is about the sons of Seth, why not just say so? If it's about polygamous kings, why not just say so?

But if it's about heavenly beings, then Bene Elohim is EXACTLY the term to use.

[emmanuelmakoba]

If Sons of God was referring to angels then why does the same passage stress the wickedness of Man and how God regretted creating them? Whilst its good to have context from different resources, it's always better to have scripture intepret scripture.

[nanakofi]

Adam was called a son of God.
Luke 3:38 says;
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
It shouldn't be a strange thing that the line of Seth were referred to as the Sons of God.

[CJFCarlsson]

I prefer the word "timeless" to "outdated", thank you.