Canon Events DON'T EXIST! (Spider-Man Across The Spider-Verse Theory)

today we discuss across the spider verse once again, this time touching on canon events and why they might be a LIE

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[Prodighee]

Dr. Strange said it best, "The Multiverse is a concept of which we know frighteningly little." 2099 simply doesn't have the full picture and how can he when we're dealing with infinite universes of infinite possibilities, his method so far may have worked but he's not aware of the other myriad of methods to stabilizing the Multiverse that both Miles and Gwen are starting to pick up on.

[BasicBro]

There is a subtle parallel between kingpin from the first movie and Miguel. Both of them tried to use multidimensional travel to unite with family members and this action destabilized the multiverse.

Perhaps it isn’t canon events and their breaking which destabilizes things but the attempt to undo events already done.

[CamoBuilds]

spot wasnt in mumbattan because miles was there, he was there because there was an alchemax in mumbattan, spot was going around the different dimensions looking for alchemax, not miles. the attack would have happened whether miles was there or not.

[steventrofka]

It seems Hobbie Brown knows something about Miguel and knew Gwen would need a watch in the future but for Miles...he told him "make your own watch". Which to me means Hobbie Brown knows Miles can make a watch if he needed to.

[iltiziocongliocchiali]

My theory is that it's the Spot that is the original Anomaly, he is the one who first opened holes in the Multiverse and cause the events of Spiderverse 1 (alongside Olivia Octavius), the Spot created Spider-Miles and then he gave powers to the Spot with the whole Bagel Effect thing. The Mumbattan Canon Event was not supposed to happen but Spot changed the story to include himself in it.

Miguel then called the stories of all the Spiders as "The Web of Life and Destiny", which in the comics is the thread that connects all universes toghether and allow them to communicate with each other safely like we see in all other Spiderverse stories. However, unlike previous stories, the Spot is opening holes in the web and making the connections weaker causing parts of the web to fall apart.

I believe that Miguel is only misunderstanding what is causing the connections to get weaker and believing that is because of the Canon Events when in reality is the Spot going around causing trouble. The reason why Miguel's alternate universe collapsed is because 2099 is the not only a different dimension but also the future for many of the Spiders (the future of universe 616 and 616B, for example).

Miguel is desperate to maintain the Canon as is because if his universe's connection with the others weakens because they change too much, his future stops making sense and his universe is then destroyed.

In a meta sense, the canon of the past is changed too much for 2099 to exist so the comic line has to be either scrapped or severely changed. Originally, Miles didn't exist and Miguel became Spider-Man as a successor to Peter, but if Miles is the successor then the canon doesn't make sense. Miguel wants to eliminate Miles from the canon so that 2099 can survive.

What the Spiderverse ultimately needs is for someone who understands the Web fully and can maintain the connections strong. In the comics we have Madame Web, I wonder if are going to see someone like that in Spiderverse 3.

Finally, what Miguel doesn't understand is that a Spider-Man that stands by when someone needs help is the most Non-Canonical thing for Spider-Man to do. Miles saving his dad or the chief in Mumbattan is actually making the Canon stronger, not weaker In my opnion.

[luismiH]

My thought is that Miguel is jealous of Miles, because Miles became Spider-man when he is not supposed to and not only his world remained safe, but also other Spider people (Gwen and Peter B Parker) started changing their destinies without causing anomalies; while Miguel's only anomaly he created ended up destroying the entire world, I think even the entire Universe. Hence, his violent tendencies towards Miles.

[machariawanjagi]

I also think that it's not a coincidence that the 3 spiderman that chase miles at the end (Jess, Ben and Miguel) are spidermen that got their powers from uncommon ways.

[Cri_Jackal]

That scene where Miguel is about to bite Renaissance Vulture isn't a kill move, he has venom in his fangs that harmlessly paralyzes anything he bites, he's trying to end the fight non-violently.

[vcnx.]

I think the canon for 1610 and 42 miles have swapped with each other. Miguel shows Miles a scene of his dad dying but what if this was the canon from for 42 Miles because his dad is dead and 1610 Miles has expierienced his one with his uncle dying. This would lead to 1610 Miles' father staying alive during the next movie.

[СтефаноНачев]

6:50 Miles :, ,CLAWS?? Are you even a Spider-Man”
Miles HIMSELF said it

[evangeliaiviioannou]

I think what's even weirder is how Miguel knows these things. The existence of the society in general. If he truly believed that we spider people shouldn't interrupt each others' universes since it would disturb canon events, why give them watches? Why allow them to go to each oher's universes? How did he even know this is possible? How does he know who is an anomaly and who isn't? It's very weird. I don't trust Miguel.

[Farfallingdeep]

I have a theory. There are two types of anomalies.

A trigger and a fuse.
What you explained in the video about the Miles and Spot in Mumbatthan, Spot is a anomaly and Miguel says Miles is a anomaly too.

Since Miles blew up the collider in 1610, it caused Spot to be an anomaly.

Spot is the fuse anomaly and Miles is the trigger, since Spot was in Mumbattan, Miles came to Mumbattan and Miles caused the Spot to travel to Mumbattan in search of getting more powerful.

[matthewzaslavets]

I think the world Miles was in didn't change, because no canon event was truly disrupted. While Peter Parker died, miles sort of took his place as the Spiderman, so that the world wouldn't realise anything changed.
It would work the opposite way with Miguel: Spiderman 2099 died, but since Miguel took his place, the world took it as if he is the same person and thus the canon event (Spidermans death) didn't trigger, leading to destruction

[joshuarias]

I'm waiting for the destiny weaver and the 'other' to come in at the third movie and say "miguel your canon even theory doesn't work"

[fynaglin]

I had seen elsewhere someone pointed out, if this canon theory is to be believed, there are three outliers. Specifically people who were not actually bitten by a radioactive spider (Or in Spider-Ham's canon a radioactive pig...) Those three are Miguel, Reilley, and Drew.

In the comics, Miguel had half his DNA spliced with a spider's DNA as part of a plot to keep Miguel from leaving Alchemax. He has physical attributes of a spider, (claws/talons, super-strength/speed/durability, fangs and venom glands) but he does lack the spider-sense and the ability to stick to surfaces (he uses his claws and talons to climb).

Reilley canonically was clone of Peter Parker (I assume 616) who was created to fight Peter. And while it could count as being bitten since he is a clone, his DNA was post-bite Peter so that may not count.

Drew is a mixed bag, and probably the biggest wildcard. Originally she was created as a one-off placeholder for a copyright of Spider-Woman (back when Marvel and DC were fighting for copyrighting heroes and names) When her one-off took off, they initially made her origin to be an actual spider evolved into a human. That idea was quickly scrapped and they made a whole thing where she was the daughter of scientists and she had some rare disorder. Her father experimented on a cure, used irradiated spider blood in it, and inject his infant daughter with it and put her in an incubator. Mom died and dad left the incubator with family, and thanks to SCIENCE Drew emerges from the incubator after a month nearly-full-grown and with spider powers. Writers and editors didn't really have a real handle on Drew as a character, so she was tossed around in stories as people left their work on her to the next editor/writer. So technically she wasn't bitten by a radioactive spider.

Another interesting thing I noted was Drew's pregnancy in the movie was... maybe halted... time-wise? When they meat Gwen she looked very pregnant (which is fine of course) but when you fast-forward "a few months" when Gwen goes to Earth-1610B. That could be a nothing-something, but worth noting since you get a sense the team doesn't seem to leave random things lying around.

The way I see it, what will happen in Beyond will have to center around Spider-42. Specifically the how and the why from the collider being used. If you go back and watch ITSV, as Miles heads to his new school his former classmates ask about, "that earthquake last night." I get a feeling that earthquake was the collider being used to pull the 42-spider to 1610B, time-wise it lines up with Miles getting bitten.

As an amusing final note, you can see Earth-42 has very little info and most of it is related to the movies (with a bit related to Miles comic canon). It may seem the number is random, but I don't think it is. Those of us who are Douglas Adams fans know the number. 42 is "the answer to life, the universe, and everything" from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

[swenong]

I would like to give my theory on the canon events. I think canon events can be disrupted, as in changed but not completely stopped, it needs to have a logical continuation like how a storyteller would tell a story for the canon event to continue on. For example, Gwen's dad didn't undergo the death set by the canon event because he quit his job as captain after learning Spider Woman's identity. While for Inspector Singh, the canon event was stopped because Miles (counted as an anomaly as he came from another dimension) swooped in and save Inspector Singh. From a storytelling perspective of the Mumbattan world, it makes zero sense, therefore creating the black hole. The canon event was always meant to happened for Inspector Singh, its just that Spot came and the storyline rewritten itself to kill him (again, it was a matter of time before the own research team activated the collider and caused the Alchemax building to be destroyed, Spot just made the event happened earlier).

[stinkypu]

I saw a theory somewhere that the Miguel we see in Across is actually an impostor and the real Miguel (the real spider-man with powers) is trapped somewhere trying to get back to his universe and they will help the real Miguel get out in Beyond.

[kevinsarow]

Miguel does have spider powers they are just different from the typical Spiderman powers. He has the usual enhanced speed strength healing etc, venomous fangs like a spider which paralyze, he has organic webbing, enhanced eye sight ( can see farther, see better in the dark), he also has talons like that of a spider. if anything I'd say that Miguel is the most like a spider than other spider people.

[mushy]

What’s insane is that IMDb put this movie in the number 11 spot for the top 250 movies of all time, I hope this is the first animated movie to win an Oscar for movie of the year

[dan]

I think that what happens in Spider-Man Indias universe just happened because of the spot, when Miguel is showing his backstory and that universe being destroyed it looks like the whole universe is glitching, but in Mumbattan it looks like a black hole, like the spot. I think Miguel’s whole theory is wrong, Mayday is an anomaly, Gwen’s dad after he quits, even Miguel and his 2 closest people to him (Jessica Drew and Scarlet Spider) are anomalies. Miguel’s powers came from an experiment, Jessica Drew’s from the high evolutionary (I think) and the scarlet spider is a clone. None of these have the proper cannon events