Teyvat's SAMSARA EXPLAINED - The 4 Cycles & The 4 Descenders || Genshin Theory [4.3]

Teyvat is stuck in a Samsara with 4 cycles...wait that sounds familiar, didn't we have 4 descenders as well? And that's not all...open your eyes traveler, you have done the exact same thing time and time again...

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[BluesLoreCrumbs]

Happy New Year Everyone!
I hope your 2024 is filled with happiness and accomplishments! Stay safe!

[minglifeng]

Most sus thing is the Traveler canonically has the ability to see/hear people’s wishes and memories every now and then in quests (but not consistently BUT quite often in various world quests). This ranges from archon quests to world quests.

[BarnusOwlsby]

I wonder if there's something about the similarity between Hyperborea and Snezhnaya, Natlantean and Natlan, and Remuria and Fontaine; these were the first three samsara's chronologically, but the last three nations we visit chronologically

[Lemonorange]

Besides Venti expressing his knowledge about having met the Traveler before, Dainsleif also mentions his knowledge about the Traveler’s brother/sister. Zhongli also knows the Traveler as well, though the Traveler is not aware of Zhongli prior to meeting him in Liyue.

[Lemonorange]

Scaramouche also tells Lumine that she lived with the Jester in Khaenri’ah when the Hester was a royal Madge. This would be prior to the fall of Khaenri’ah and the cataclysm sat the year 500. So Aether and Lumine were on Teyvat years, centuries before 500 which prior to the beginning of the games.

[bangtanssera]

honestly i have seen the intro cutscene so many times that I have remembered the phrase pain says "so you say you were about to leave this world" so... it implies our traveller knows they have been here before. it is just they don't talk about it, about anything they know. traveler also knows exactly why they can wield the power of elements without a vision since the very start. what if.. traveler is very well aware of what is going on with this world but didn't expect for their sibling to be trapped? it is not a new theory but a new angle. maybe some of their memories were deleted cause, well, traveler implies heavily that they don't know teyvatian. idk im not a lorist myself. but I also find it interesting to "leave this world" we try to confront sustainer and dainsleif says to save our sibling we need to fight him, what if he is the new sustainer? crack theory but we definitely have a loop and rain is also blond as kevin kaslana and kiana kaslana. idk honestly i have created this piece of thought right now but it sounds to me very interesting

[Rieryneo]

isnt weird why traveler next destination is pretty much messed up, like from mondstats to liyue... then from liyue to inazuma... and from inazuma to sumeru... from sumeru to fontaine and fontaine to natlan, (natlan said to be set at the west part of sumeru)... and everytime traveler arrive, traveler manage to prevent the catastrophic when it was about to happen after the traveler arrived at each nation EVERY SINGLE TIME

[iansanchez]

Another thing is that if Irminsul records the information of the loops, the abbys twin must have already completed a loop, but the playable twin hasn't done it yet, because there's no information to be found about them, making them a descender and also invulnerable to changes in Irminsulf itself, because the tree has never recorded any info on them (something similar to what happens with Zhongli, who is said to be the only archon unaffected by the Irminsul change made during the Sumeru quest) But why is that? If both twins arrived at the same moment, why was the playable twin 'protected' from the loop while they were sealed? And who did that? The abbys twin admits they have already finished their journey and that made them understand the true nature of the world, which makes it clearer that they might be trying for a second (or even more) time to change fate, so they must have failed to complete the 2nd half of the 4th cycle before. And so the question remains the same, why is the traveler we use only in their 1st loop? Or who erased it from previous ones? Zhongli mentions a couple of times that the traveler is a witness, and suggests that they are a better way to save the history of this world, making them a truly outsider to Teyvat and its nature (the loop). So what's the difference between the twins is something I hope they'll explain eventually

[Arlelelelele]

Could it be that the 4 descenders represent the 4 horsemen of Apocalypse in the bible?
Conquest - Phanes/Primordial one
War - 2nd who came
Famine - 3rd descender
Death - Aether/Lumine (MC)

Will the traveler bring death to all? Or will he sacrifice himself by death to save Teyvat?

[InotiaKing]

Very nice explanation about the difference between a samsara cycle and your typical time loop story in fiction! The Narzissenkreuz World Quest was done so well and opened up so many new avenues to research.

And about the Natlantean part I actually recently wrote a theory about Natlan and how it would relate back to those dragons from the time of their defeat. It's great to see that the theories the Genshin theorists have been coming up with are slowly coming together from multiple angles. Teyvat Historia also came up with a good one about the Third Descender and Ashikai recently started getting sus about Zhongli's role in all of this.

Also I'm glad someone else noticed that the Prayers Artifacts weren't telling a story about different time loops but different samsara cycles of the same timeline.

[davidjohnson]

Do you know the significance of Charcoal-Baked Ajilenakh Cake?

During the Subzeruz festival the Traveler suddenly runs off and goes to a tavern where they order a plate of Charcoal-Baked Ajilenakh Cake. Do you know why?

I have never seen anyone else ever talk about it and I feel it's quite important to understanding the Traveler.
It's in the quest "The Arrival of the Sabzeruz Festival"

[galaxycrystal]

it's so interesting as How in Honkai Impact 3rd newer chapter 42, The Planet called Phosphorus is reset by a flood but only Project Ark remain the same as it's from outside.

There's a lot of parallel between story in Genshin and Honkai during the same time period, as in the end of Part 1 Honkai is all about everyone living in a dream at the same time as Sumeru's Samsara Archon Quest happened.

[Ash-qdke]

I’d also like to point out that the Sustainer might be the God of Space (God of the Void?)

Genshin’s artifacts system have long hinted that it might actually refer to Phanes and his 4 shining shades:
Flower of Life - the God of Life was the one who created Egeria to replace the former Sovereign of Hydro as the heart of the Primordial Sea

Plume of Death - ???

Sands of Eon - Istaroth, the God of Time is intimately close to Barbatos and Makoto, as well as the people of Enkanomiya

Goblet of Eonothem - although “Eonothem” is a geological term, the original name of this piece in CN and JP can be translated as “Cup of Emptiness” and even “Goblet of the Void” in German (which is where ‘Herrscher’ comes from)

Circlet of Logos - means reason or thought

[Eli-qbsw]

24:29 The first charachter added to the game was named something like Kate or Katya Kaslana (This was found in the game code)

[reddinareddika]

what a great theory. I usually contest a lot of them, but this one makes a lot of sense. The third Descender "sustained" the world in the sense that their bones help enforcing the laws of the Heavenly Principles. It also makes sense why the Sinner is there, he is a Bodhisattva, much like Nicole, probably, and helps people break the Cycle of Samsara

[Lumiphatom]

I agree about not being a time loop thing, but what I don't agree on is teyvat was doomed to be flooded by the "primordial sea" portion. Basically, the Irminsul does a "reset" every time a calamity happens. similar to what happed with previous Dendro Archon, all memories of the period of the last Samara is wiped from existence. You can see evidence if this being true because of the literature that littered throughout the game. The nature of Irmisul was figured out a long time ago and to preserve the contents of every Samara, the texts of history are hidden in fairy tales. I also believe, memories outside of the samara cycle is considered "forbidden knowledge" which is why the fairy tale exist. To protect knowledge that is as forbidden in the eyes of Irminsul.

In addition, if we are on the topic of cycles....when we look at the first cycle "paradise lost", its referencing Eden but its also the event of the first instance of "forbidden knowledge". Think about it, Why was Adam and Eve kicked out of heaven? She ate a forbidden fruit which granted her knowledge (forbidden knowledge...again). Also....its not a coincidence that the one who gave her the fruit was a snake (lucifer). Actually, the term "descender" can also be used in the context of "removed from Heaven". Since Lucifer betrayed God he "descended" from heaven and banished to hell (maybe the abyss in Genshin terms). Which is consistent in Genshin since its heavily implied the first descender was the Primordial one, which is in fact looks like a snake.

[chakraace]

One interesting detail to note is that in dharmic religions(hinduism, Buddhism, etc from which samasara has importance) is the existence of 4 yugas. Yugas are ages which aren't equally divided. Each Yuga represents a degradation in human spiritual life, followed by a period of renewal. According to the ancient indian philosophy(from where genshin has borrowed similar terms) the world will be destroyed at the end of the 4th Yuga and is started over. I don't know much about this but my mentor told me about these stuffs. If you could do some research about this, you may be able to connect some dots.

[OneMreUser]

We also don't know at what point in time we're the travelers caught by the sustainer. We also don't know what she did with them before sending them back to Teyvat.

[PlayerN]

Hey very nice video, love that you explained the difference between samsara and time loop right in the beginning.

I am currently traveling through long forgotten updates from the past with the power of hindsight, trying to connect old lore. It needs a bit more cooking but i may have found something promising i would love to share but it needs some more time to cook. Right now i am looking to connect to people and watching old videos to see if this theory has been made already.

I wish you a Happy New Year keep up the great work !

[Luna-fnnv]

this theory is one of the most interesting and well put together ive heard :) very cool job