Worst Puppy Pointing Drill Ever

Welcome to Standing Stone Kennels! In this video we talk about wing on a string and why you shouldn't being doing it. Follow along to learn why this one drill could be ruining your bird dog.

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Ethan and Kat Pippitt are the proud owners of Standing Stone Kennels. They breed German Shorthaired pointers and train all types of dogs for the hunt and the home. Their training strategies are easy to follow and are flexible to meet the needs of individual dogs. They are avid outdoorsmen and when they aren't training dogs they spend their free time hunting all kinds of game across the United States.

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[ethankingsbury]

My grandfather has done this to train multiple dogs and they all preform in field just fine. He also Weill put dog back inside after doing this, makes a trail with scent/drags wing across the ground, puts said wing into a bush or tree, and then lets the dog out to sniff and find the wing

[illinoisratrodders]

I have been training pointers for 35 years and guide at a local Hunt club and I still us the wing and rod .if you train on short grass it is a sight point but if you don't have access to live birds it is a great tool you just have to be creative ( tall grass or at night) will work the nose. The true purpose of the wing is to trigger the instinct of pointing. You can also steady a dog on point with it. You just have to know how to use the tools you have at your disposal

[danielschoenthal]

I had an issue with extra loud fireworks a couple days ago, as I mentioned to you in a private message.. I had my grandson sit back with a blank gun and used the wing on a string to get them excited. While they were distracted my grandson took a couple shots and the pups ignored the gun shots. Which for me was a relief. But both puppies got bored with the wing in about 2 minutes. I won't be doing it again but it was a good distraction for a quick check to see if the fireworks caused a terrible setback in my gun introduction. Great videos ! And thank you for the information when I contacted you!!!

[jeffdillon]

Great demonstration. Bird dog training is such a learning curve, i am on my first dog and started him this way and now that he is 1 year old I can definitely see how he is trying to sight point birds and bunnies more so than use his sniffer! I wish this video had come out last summer! I will be getting some live quail and pidge this summer so hopefully i can get him pointing scent. Thanks for the always awesome content, it's helped me so much throughout the training process.

[drentlover]

I 100 % agree, we always train the pups and young dogs with living hidden birds so they have to smell then. And what a beautiful pup you got there.

[waynemorris]

I absolutely 100 % agree!
Did the very thing you talk about with both my GSP and my English Pointer.
Once.
Then they went to working with real birds. That brought out their noises, and the wind direction, and the dew point, and temperature. But you are right on . I AGREE.

[strider]

Such a good boy! Genuine style in that point.

[thewootpursuit]

Question: Why not just put some scent on the wing and it teaches the dog to use both scent and sight. Naturally they will associate both senses with pointing. Maybe I am wrong here cause I am just a beginner but that’s the first thing I thought. Also, you could start with this to show how to play the game then put the pup in some tall grass and see if he/she will just use scent to point? Let me know what you think?

[aldenfilko]

Wow, glad you made this video before I get my GSP. Love the content your putting out, thanks

[fredaewalker]

Trained five vizslas and a GSP over 50yrs and never had to teach any of them to point, they taught me and never told me a lie. Just basic good behaviour from the day they walked through the door. The GSP was an abused dog I took on at 10 months old and he never failed me ever.

[dockentower]

Good sound advice. I have been enthusiastically watching your training videos. I love training but 12 to 13 years between puppies; it’s easy to forget even the basics. Again, great job on your videos!

Doc Amtower

[prestonbaldock]

Fantastic way to show prove the point and great way of showing it

[ThorstenWolters]

What would be the corresponding drill to train the pointing on scent, that you use instead?

[truffledogs]

Strongly Agree! This is the first step. Next step is to go out on a field with high grass and do the same to train the nose !!!

[marcnoujaim]

Thank you so much
So what do you do for practice ?

[mathewemery]

could this be done in longer grass to block eye sight and use something with a scent to get that nose working ?

[tristandreilich]

Hi, what action and lb line do you recommend with this drill? I personally like a medium action rod with 8 lbs test for walleye, but I've never caught a pointer before.

[thesaragozafamily]

How many weeks does a GSP can learn how to hunt and what’s a good way to teach it

[hardmankennels]

very nice video. And that pup is very stylish and will on his way to be an eye popper on point. This is just my opinion so you can take it or leave it lol.

This is certainly a fun game to play with your pup and you do see what kind of style your pup has by playing it. And your correct, you don't want to over do it. And yes it does encourage sight pointing. However if you do it at night to discourage his eyesight then he learns to use his nose. And believe it or not there is a scent on that wing and on that rag or whatever you use that your puppy can smell that we cannot. Of course if the wind is to his back (at night) then he won't point it, because he can't see it. But when he moves around to look for it and then sees it move cuz he got too close then if the wind is in his favor he will smell it and associate that scent with the object thereby learning how to use his nose. He will then move around and learn to use the wind and point on scent. I've done this for many many years but again I do not overdo it. Doing it at night with very little light definitely teaches them how to use their nose It's amazing how quickly they learn that when they can't see it. The other thing is there's no way that you will ever be able to completely eliminate a dog seeing a bird in the wild on a wild bird hunt. So you want to make sure that he is well-rounded and prepared. And certainly not if you're doing put and take hunts or field trials. So your dog has to know how to handle birds visually as well as with his nose. So I cross train for it personally. I have been in those trials when my dog is on point 100 yards across the field and by the time I get there, he and that bird are looking each other in the eye having a conversation and that dog never attempted to take that bird out. If he had then I would lose points on that find. And while the dog is still steady I walk by the dog, flush the bird, shoot the bird, the dog gets the retrieve and we together get all the points for that find. So in that scenario, in my opinion for whatever it's worth, it's beneficial then to have a dog savvy with pointing by sight and by scent. I know this is a long drawn out response and I probably could have said it using less words but thank you anyway for taking the time to read my mini story 👍🏿

[skuuubasteve]

I've played this game with my pup in tall grass and even deep brush and she was working the wind to find the scent and point.