Do the Dead Sea Scrolls prove the Bible hasn’t been edited?

[svezhiepyatki]

Shoutout to Kipp Davis' ongoing YouTube series about DSS.

[calanm]

I had a wonderful moment there automatically exclaiming “you’ve got to be kidding me” when Sean MacDowell was cited.. a moment of progress & freedom

[billcook]

Even 99% the same means 1% changed. Which is problematic for those who believe that every jot and tittle in our current Bible (usually meaning the KJV) is the good and perfect word of god.

[JopJio]

The DSS show that books for example Isaiah were written by multiple authors and in different times. See Dr Kipp Davis. We also have additional books and books where whole chapters are missing. There is also something like an Enochian version of the Torah. It could be said so much more

[MyMy-tvfd]

very important - I try to get people to see that the discovery of Hebrew cognate Ugaritic language texts in 1929 also improves our understanding of the OT texts

[CharlesPayet]

Wow, I had no idea that the DSS only have 25% of the Hebrew Bible.

[Darisiabgal]

"The hebrew bible has been remarkably well preserved" this is the take home lesson.
But its also a human text carried by humans, and so intentional changes will be made.
There are places were the dead sea scrolls are more simikar to the greek old testament in meaning than the masoretic text, which indicate that there is a direction of change in both texts over time.

This is the key point, because in terms of manuscript curation, that process does not begin in the 4th century BCE, but in the 7th to 8th century BCE but there is an absolute veil over processes older than the 3rd century, the only potential older evidence is the contested shapiro scroll which is now lost. But even that scroll argues that deuteronomy changed markedly between the "scroll of moses" and canonical deuteronomy.

And so the conclusion that we can draw is that while their might be sources older than the 8th century, they lacked the literary form of the bible books we have today, and episodically between the eigth and third century major periods of appendation and editing occured to the text, with all evidence for preexisting texts haven been lost, except a few scattered croppings and a missing, possibly forged text.
And so most textual critics link these texts back to a collection of similar sourced scrolls between 350 and 275 BCE (excluding daniel, and certain other books) as a source in which the content therafter was fairly static, and a veil over the evolution of the text before that time.

If we make the statement when was user manual for the TRS-80 was written we can probably point to a time when and thereafter that manual changed only a little bit. But before that time, when the TRS-80 had yet to be sold publically and during testing there are manuals running about that probably differed from person to person drpending on what feature the person was working on.

Its the same thing, there is probably a time when Yehud pious observance varied greatly, but within that group a more powerful priestly class arose with increased piety rules and text to cover those rules. When the Hyrcanus and Son essentially forcibly expand the sphere of influence of Judea, they then adapted the text for boundary maintence, and so at this time there is a need for the manuel to be kept standardized and so among the text that they had they selected the text that they wanted to be standardized and publicized.

[Bardineer]

As important, and arguably moreso, is the fact that even if there we _zero_ difference, and the text had been _perfectly, _ this still would not demonstrated that the content of the text was _true_ in the first place.

[tarafox]

One concern i have about the masoretic text is the time lines leading up to the Melchizedek.

It does seem more accurate from the Septuagint.

[boboak]

There is also an awful lot of time between the Dead Sea scrolls and the events they claim to record.

Whatever can be said about differences between various texts found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Masoretic text cannot tell us to what degree these stories have changed since they were first told.

[babygremlins]

Thank you Dan for being willing to speak the truth. This dribble about the Masoretic text being perfect and the same as the Dead Sea Scrolls has been taught to me in church for decades and I've just realized how much bull crap it is.

[TheGoodShepard]

I mean I like what you say, but where is your evidence? You need cut aways to show us evidence of what you speak 🗣️. How is it 25%??? Because based on what we have with the DSC it seems a lot more than that

[cranzag]

How large of an effect does not having the original autographs affect reconstructing the the original text?

[chandlersleziak]

Yep, the DSS prove that the Jews preserved the Tanakh.

[NotNecessarily-ipvc]

The Manual of Discipline, one of the Dead Sea Scrolls, says that God created two great spirits, one of truth and one of perversity, the latter being the angel of darkness.

'Through the angel of darkness, however, even those who practice righteousness are liable to error. All their sin and their inequities, all their guilt and their deeds of transgression are the result of his domination; and thus, by God's inscrutable design, will continue until the time appointed by Him.'

[amad]

Hey Dan, do the dead sea scrolls prove that the first five books of bible (which they consider the Torah) was preserved? (at least since the second template period time)

[MitzvosGolem]

Isaiah 7:14 virgin in future tense????

[josefpollard]

Nuances and semantics are of great importance imho. Especially when it comes to something of as great importance as our own survival. I myself have been looking for a reply for some time of a simple observation of Genesis 1 and 2. Where all through ch.1 Gods name is God and requires no validation. Then in ch.2 begins as God, v.3 requires validation, and then changes the name to Lord God. These two witness mirror the writings of truth culminated from the prophets and the writings of the anointed kings. Further more a closer examination of facts show; a world destroying war as already seen in the book Revelations happened about one hundred years ago. Though obviously interrupted, A second and more "complete" war began in the 40's, and has yet to reach its climax. If that's the case and I'm sure it is then its very safe to say the books are cooked and the numbers are skewed badly. For: the current trend is straight down. As people return to their dust. The word of life went out and the reply was 9. I destroy as I speak....

[jamesduncan]

Do the DSS prove the Bible hasn't been edited? Not only no, but h*ll no.

Oh wait, I've been spending too much time listening to that Dr. Kill guy.😁

But no, that is not at all what the DSS have demonstrated.

[alanb]

It was a fairly credible presentation of a blatant lie.