Pyscript - Should you Learn it?

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[johnhanley]

If your focus is on a language, JavaScript versus Python, then you are missing to objective of PyScript. AI, ML and Data Science are Python frameworks. Now that you can run those frameworks in the browser is very significant. PyScript is not targeting the web developer. PyScript is targeting the Data Science, AI and ML developer who wants to move CPU cycles from the backend to the frontend. That is a major feature and has global implications on how next generation systems will be designed.

[spotted]

@Stefan, it actually depends. There's a bunch of data scientists working big corporations that could develop their MVPs/POCs and/or internal tools entirely in Python.

[bjeribs]

Great talk. It’s interesting to see where it goes my guess is maybe data science in the browser

[fredericoamigo]

Good points and a lot of wisdom as usual! However, when it comes to pyscript, I must say I think it is really exiting. There are lots of people learning python right now, meaning there’ll be a big community of pyscript in the future. It probably won’t replace JavaScript, but I wouldn’t be surprised if pyscript becomes a major player in the future, maybe for making dashboards etc. I’ve checked it out a bit, and it works really well! I especially like that it works great with numpy and matplotlib.

Anyway, my point is, I don’t disagree with you, but i don’t think people should underestimate pyscript either. It’s a great tool that shows a great potential:-)

[JDMorris]

I think Pyscript, Brython and Anvil are all very promising. As a new coder focused mainly on learning Python I welcome all technologies advancing what can be done with it.

[BneiAnusim]

The whole point of Pyscript is the "One Ring to Rule Them All" approach, which is Python in Front and Back-end like Javascript and Node. 😉

[virtualvessel]

Absolutely, I don't see it as a replacer, but...simply pulling into a browser a Python runtime in one line. Far easier than deploying/configuring and calling a container to run your code.

[ukaszzbrozek]

Python in a browser would be use for very specific use cases like AI and machine learning. JS isn't very good with complex calculations and is really painful to rewrite and update packages for It that already exist in Python.
Basically the use case is that company want to use computing power of user by moving solution from server to website without rewriting it. That is brilliant and would stay with us.

[abcq]

Hi, Stef. Thanks for the talk, agree with you. But there's another thing that came out recently and aims to replace Node. I'm talking about new JS runtime called Bun . Are you familiar with it and would you like to share your thought on that. Is it something worth to consider nowadays? Unlike PyScript, authors of Bun claim that it does more than Node and does it enormously faster.

[erykczajkowski]

For anyone looking for a space to innovate - here's an established 'technology' that should be erased from the face of the Earth and buried 6 feet under: CSS.
1. It doesn't support very common operations (eg. no justify-vertically)
2. Theoretically supported operations do not work on their own, because they require certain configuration of parent-child elements, so
3. Instead of having to set a single property you need to set a whole set of them (eg flexbox),
4. Working with CSS consists of finding workarounds for its inherent deficiencies.

[danielihenacho]

Except Pyscript would be used for niche applications, probably somewhere like ML and Data Science, I guess. Just my thoughts on it.

[paulholsters]

Well it seems to be a trend to use your favorite backend language also in the frontend: node JavaScript - blazor c# - rust WASM and now python pycharm. Seems like a natural development. The most important thing is the ecosystem around a techstack . Things like a ui component library. That will boom your write speed. The tech is secondary. Completely agree with what’s said: it’s all about writespeed. Unless you have an app that is used by millions of people. But that is only 1% of apps.

[TheHybrid]

Some of us suck at JavaScript. If I can be in python, I can be fast.

[krfloll]

Pyscript is more than anything else an example of what is possible with wasm. For example, an html based reporting engine written with Pyscript using pandas and OOP in python would be great. A lot of work has gone in to making Javascript a good language. It isn't, really. Pyscript may not be the future but it's a good peak at it

[borasumer]

Pyscript.. . They must have really taken their time to find this super unique name for the project.

[northborneoguy]

Thanks for sharing this video Stef! What do you think of Trongate? It's a new PHP framework.

[HmongCrypto]

I love python. I use it for everything. But recently, I been having problems with it when it comes to web development specifically web3. Their are definitely more libraries to work with javascript when it comes to web3.

Python is great for data science, machine

I see pyscript as something that will bridge javascript & python. I don't see pyscript as a standalone. More so....an extension or add-on

[ShaderKite]

"Speed of write time is far more important than runtime" - I wouldn't say that this is always the case (watched only 5mins of that video so I apologize if this has been addressed later on in the video). Yes, A LOT of the time it is very much true - that's why scripting languages like JS or Python are so popular. But there are also performance-critical applications that require good runtime performance. But those are usually not in the browser and not for consumer-facing applications.

Just wanted to say that your statement is very often true, but not always!

[sevdalink]

I would really like to see competition to JavaScript, just because their monopoly on the frontend pushed them to think they can mess with backend and started now to overwhelm us with their 'new and newer and newer' runtimes :D

[PerpetualPreponderer]

With all these high level simpler syntax languages prioritising write speed over run time, I've been wondering for some time, and nowadays quite perplexed...how do these high level languages actually get the machine to do stuff?

Like does it have to be compiled to a lower level language like C & then recompiled to something like assembly in order to actually instruct the hardware? Or are we somehow past that now???