Catholic DOGMA: DOUBLE Predestination

[MadDogXL]

Here are the key points:

God desires the salvation of all people.
God predestines some people to salvation, but not all.
God predestines all the graces a person needs to be saved.
Predestination happens before a person merits it.
People are condemned to hell because of their own sins, not because God predestined them to hell.
God allows people to fall into sin but does not cause them to sin.

[slavicsoup]

Had to watch this 3x before the “light bulb” moment. Stay committed learning bros!

[leoashura]

The meme "Lord what must I do to be saved" "Nothing, because I've assigned you to hell already"

[rhorynotmylastname]

Dang, and I thought physics was hard.

[filiusvivam]

As a Catholic, I am praying for all of you. God have mercy.

[Ryotenian]

This was a well built and short video on predestination, great work!

[Alexandros]

“God predestines no one to go to hell” - CCC 1037

[christsavesreadromans]

CCC 600 “To God, all moments of time are present in their immediacy. *When therefore he establishes his eternal plan of "predestination", he includes in it each person's free response to his grace:* "In this city, in fact, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place." For the sake of accomplishing his plan of salvation, God permitted the acts that flowed from their blindness.”

Canon IV, Session 6 of Trent “If any one saith, that man’s free will moved and excited by God, by assenting to God exciting and calling, nowise co-operates towards disposing and preparing itself for obtaining the grace of Justification; *that it cannot refuse its consent, * if it would, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive; let him be anathema.”

[davemoore]

"*Stop sperging and wait 2 seconds, Reformed Bros" should've been in all caps, red font and dead center on the screen.
I can't tell if people didn't bother watching the entire thing or the explanation simply went over their heads.

[jackgrund]

Great stuff. Theology often goes right over my head, so I appreciate you defining the technical terms for mid-wits like me

[TheOtherCaleb]

By this definition (which is actually solid), Arminius also taught double predestination (the permission of foreknown impenitents to punishment).

[RealCatholicOfficial]

I don't get it. This is way over my head. Great video.

[MilitantThomist]

As a reminder…if you believe that I am unorthodox in what I am saying,

1. I would suggest watching the ENTIRE video.

2. Remember that the historical question of the believes of Calvin and the later Reformed are different than being unorthodox (although, I think Calvin was unorthodox on this question).

3. The term “double predestination” can be taken in a bad sense, and do #1 in order to discover the proper sense.

[GabrielPereira-hmcz]

I was just studying Romans 9, this helped a lot. Thanks!

[telosbound]

3:15 sounds quite close to the “antinomic” theology of the Russian renaissance guys (Solovyev, Florensky, Bulgakov and you even see it in Lossky).

[GabrielPereira-hmcz]

I don't understand how can you reconcile "Antecedent Negative Reprobation" with God's desire for the salvation of all and giving all the graces necessary for salvation.

[FollowingStar]

I was predestined to like and comment on this video

[mousakandah]

most people who say "Double predestination" really define it as predestinarianism

so in this sense they are not wrong when they say double predestination is a Heresy

[ChumX]

It would be helpful for viewers to also specify which "points in tension" are required to be held when accepting these theses. Here is one I see immediately, hidden in the first thesis that was brushed over:

If God predestines the means for salvation in general, but also predestines all specific salvific acts as well as the specific persons for those acts, how can one in any way say that God wants everyone to be saved?

[TheGreekCatholic]

The difference is if grace is irresistible or not. If its not, then there is no free will and as a result there are those predestined to hell.