THE COST OF BECOMING PRIMARIS!

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Today we discuss the cost the Adeptus Astartes pay in crossing the Rubicon Primaris! Are these Space Marines forsaking their humanity?

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[matjov]

Rumour has it that Salamanders Primaris are 17% more likely to hug you and have increased stomping potential.

[chuck]

Ultramarines : By, the Emperor... What has happened to my humanity?

Iron Hands : Efficiency achieved.

[Indoor_Carrot]

I rmemeber a moment in the Ultramarines books when they come across a ruined, burned out city. Uriel and Posanius find a ruined store with a makeshift barricade and behind it, a group of corpses. Likely a family.
Uriel states the they must have been trying to hide. Posanius rhetorically asks "Why didn't they fight?" to which Uriel replies "They couldn't. they aren't trained and aren't armed. What would you do in their situation?"
Posanius instantly replies "I would fight and kill anything threatening me and my people."
Uriel looks at him sadly and thinks "Yes, as an astartes that is your instinct. But as a human with loved ones to care for. You wouldn't"



It's really shocking that Uriel, the space marine who empathised with mortals and their struggles, would actually think this.

[themarshmallowwizard]

A loss of humanity seems to be more related to crossing the rubicon rather than being related to being primaris. In the vast majority of recent novels the primaris are shown to be more human than their first born brethren, often annoying their fellow space marines as they criticize their lack of empathy and humanity, this is seen prominently with the primaris that join the dark angels and flesh tearers. It is also worth noting that in the end of the Swords of Calth, Uriel is able to regain his humanity, and lose the disorientation of crossing the rubicon, albeit after a very intense life or death experience.

[connorcmsmith]

It’s kind of like the marines are re set to factory settings and have to rediscover what it means to be a defender of humanity and not just a weapon of the imperium

[richardhowells]

Then again there was that Dark Angel Primaris who showed more care for a human prisoner than the first born.

[Crimson_Loki]

The funny thing is, this is an observation of the first born becoming primaris, they become a bit colder, a bit more logical and tactical, but contraversely, the marines who start off as Primaris seem to veer in the opposite direction and have a bit too much humanity and are considered by the first born to be perhaps naive and inexperienced. Also, this is the experience given from the perspective of an Ultra Marine, we'd have to see how it effects those of other chapters. It is entirely possible that crossing the rubicon merely enhances the core personality traits of the gene seed of their Primarch father. So like UMs would be more logical, Space Wolves more feral, etc. Let us not forget that the HH Guilliman was quite like this, cold, logical, tactical, sure he had humanity, but he was also a big picture type of guy. Another idea is that crossing the rubicon might make them more like the Emperor as he exhibited tons of these traits before being put on the chair. We need a larger sample size of experience to truly see.

[Jarvo-edpj]

Dante: “please just let me do it, if I die it’s cool and if I don’t I’m stronger”
Entire blood angels chapter:”NO”
Dante:”I JUST WANNA DIE”

[Rasaevire]

marneus calgar: oh there is very big chance I'll die? *LETS DO IT*
2 seconds later...
marneus calgar:

[ghola]

Me: "What's the cost of becoming primaris?"

GW: "We need your banking routing number please. :^)"

[Halvos]

Uriel once nearly fell to his own death to catch a guardsmen commander that had been trapped in the warp so long his body was withered and near useless. The commander fell from a cliff they were scaling and Uriel cursed himself for the brief moment where he considered letting the man go to save himself.

[attemptedunkindness]

A couple thousand dollars and a divorce. -The actual cost of going Primaris

[negativezero]

“But at what cost?”
“Around 70 dollars my lord. Plus shipping. And that isn’t even from forge world”

*”By the Emperor...”*

[Fatties]

Uriel:"leave the militarum behind."
Warsmith Honsou eavesdropping: "*MY MAN.*" 😂

[psychoru]

A theory:
Maybe the change to Primaris just amplifies qualities of the gene seed. Ultramarines were always very tactically minded, not inhuman but tactical, maybe the change just made them tactical to the point of inhumanity towards the guardsmen? Maybe an interesting way of looking at it

[comradeweismann]

*"And Then We Won"*

- Primarneus Cawlgurl

[mouseketeery]

This is a bit like the Stormcast in AoS. If they're killed and 'Reforged', each time, they lose something of who they used to be. For them it can be anything - a memory, a skill, a personality trait, an emotion. They're beginning to fear that they'll become soulless automatons over time.

[Kunori]

Since it doesn't seem to have the same effect on marines who were Primaris from the start (e.g. Felix), it probably isn't intentional. I'd say it's something like... when you become Primaris, you lose a fifth of your humanity, say. Space marines have lost some humanity to start with, so when they become Primaris, they lose some more again.

[jiado]

I suspect that Space Marines (or at least some chapters) are taught to avoid self-introspection for so long, that once they HAVE to perform an evaluation after becoming Primaris, they have no way to measure how it has or hasn't changed them. Guilliman asks who Uriel was before, and Uriel doesn't really know.

[RustyARMPIT]

i like to think that after the rubicon you lose some humanity and have to learn how to be human again, to regain what was lost through effort and patience.