Don't Buy a High Efficiency Furnace!

There are 3 reasons why you should not buy a 90% high efficiency furnace over an 80% standard efficiency furnace. IF your main objective in a new furnace purchase is to save money. The three reasons I go over in this video are: expensive upfront cost, high repair cost, and decreased lifespan.
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[MsckMatt]

As an hvac tech, I actually do agree with most of this. The repair cost for the customer for standard efficiency furnaces is drastically lower. On average swapping an inducer motor on a standard furnace ends up costing the customer on average $300-$400 all said and done.

Then I've swapped out some very top of the line modulating inducer motors that no joke cost the customer over $2000. You go from buying a simple motor to buying an extremely complicated motor, that has extra components like a transducer and sometimes even needing a board replacement with new harnesses if it's york. Not to mention how much more complicated the troubleshooting process can be. I've taken classes at york for their high end equipment and even in the classes 80% of the troubleshooting involves being on the phone with tech support. With all these variables the chances of a misdiagnoses on a top of the line furnace is higher, which means mistakes happen and the wrong part may get put it at the cost of the customer. All this can be avoided by just having a nice standard 80% furnace.

Also yes, problems with the secondary heat exchanger is always a killer for the unit. It does not take a lot to have them get clogged up especially if the combustion isn't dialed in properly

[WordofAdviceTV]

Hi everyone!! I just want to make a disclaimer to clear up possible misunderstandings. I am NOT against high efficiency furnaces. They are nice units! They look great, are efficient and quiet. Are they better than the 80% units? Absolutely. If money is not a concern for you, buy a high efficiency unit. I just don't like the sales pitch that highly overestimates how much money these high efficiency furnaces save. Often the 95% furnace is compared to a 60% furnace to show impressive savings but really they should be comparing it to an 80% furnace. People who are looking to save money should opt for an 80% furnace. Less money upfront, less repair costs, and very likely to last longer. It will heat the house just as good as a high efficiency furnace.

[gibblespascack]

When We purchased our house 19 years ago, it had a 60% furnace. We purchased a Trane 94% AFU, 2 stage, condensing furnace. It paid for itself in 4.5 winters by NG gas savings alone. With cleaning/maintenance every 2 years, it lasted 19 years until we sold the house. It is still working well today. The house is located in upstate NY, so winters are a thing.

[williamdurbinsr.]

I agree with a lot of what you said, Jay. As a retired HVAC man I am fortunate enough to have installed my own equipment. Having eliminated the "middle man" by purchasing from the factory. I can honestly say my electric bill was cut in half with the high efficiency & the gas bill is relatively the same after 6+ seasons. I do want to make a statement. In my opinion, it doesn't matter how energy efficient we try to be, we are never going to win because these greedy corporate energy companies are going to charge us more $$$ because of their share holders! 80% or 98+% we can't win! Enjoy your knowledge, Jay.

[KC-cxev]

I have a old Bard furnace that is close to 50 years old and working fine, Only cost for over the last 35 years is filter replacements. After listening to you and a couple of others I have decided to keep it for the factors that you mentioned. Thanks for your video.

[Chris.Brisson]

My furnace is now over 50 years old and is still going strong. I've owned the house for 26 years and have spent $0 on furnace maintenance beyond filter cost. Things were made so much better back when CEOs were not focused on planned obsolesce and trimming ever penny from the cost of components.

[pleskbruce]

I certainly understand why you have over 400, 000 subscribers. Your videos show the most common sense, knowledge, and objectivity of just about any I have seen (on ANY topic). And your presentation organization, style, and pace are excellent. Happy to be a new subscriber and to bookmark you on my own "home resources" log. Thanks so much for doing these. I'll be watching!

[musclehead]

I do HVAC in Canada and I agree 100%. I see older furnaces lasting 25 years and my boss wants me to convince the customers to have them replaced with ZERO problems. The pitch is that they will save money. How the F do you save money by spending money? The heat exchangers on those old furnaces are 1000 times better. I have seen so many York furnaces have heat exchanger problems after 3-5 years its mind boggling.

[benkuxhouse]

I am an HVAC, professional 37 years. I completely 100% agree with everything in this video. I feel the same way about high-efficiency air, conditioners and heat pumps with inverters. They are so expensive. They never will pay for themselves. It’s just getting a little too ridiculous and complicated especially in residential. A $3000 repair bill usually hurts most people pretty good.

[sharonandronenns]

Hi. Sharon and Ron here in Alberta Canada. Our flame master furnace was installed in 1976. We bought the house in 1987. Replaced the exchanger in 1987 for total of $75. Have not had any problems

[frankjgornickjr]

You're 100% right older furnaces that had thermocouples blasted 40/50 years and you didn't have condensation tubes leaking into your furnace. It was a hotter heat. I believe my parents were scammed years ago they said it had a small leak crack and ever since then between 8 and 10 years the furnace has to be replaced meanwhile the old one lasted for 40-something years. The old ones worked far better. Thanks for telling the truth.

[justinbelleville]

Thank you for sharing! I agree 100%. I’m an HVAC and plumbing tech. I say the exact same thing about high efficiency on demand water heaters. I only offer to install an IBC on demand water heater because they only have 5 components compared to 42 (on average).

[richardwernst]

Great, thanks. My gas furnace from around 1960 still works great. Had to have the blower (forced air) replaced around 1984. The one thing I'd advise for old furnace would be to replace the pilot light setup with electronic. No need to turn it off in summer (if you do that) and relight, etc. and no wasted gas for the pilot itself even in winter.

[justadbeer]

Great advice. My new house has a high efficiency Carrier unit that's 20 years old (previous owner had new heat exchanger installed) and of course the thing takes a crap in a cold snap (10-15 degrees) over Thanksgiving when family are flying in. and of course because it's 20 yrs old and also a proprietary unit, parts are not readily available and need to be ordered from out of state. That board with labor cost me $950. Then over Christmas, it goes out again. The guy doesn't answer his phone, but I has a little schooling in HVAC and watched your videos, read the fault codes and found that my condensate box was plugged. easy fix after draining almost a gallon of water out and cleaning the box. They want $7200 to replace the furnace with a Trane unit. He said he can save me 1k if we go with the Goodman, but it's a little louder. My problem is that I don't have a chimney, so I don't know if I can go to an 80% furnace.

[ragaraga]

I was told only High Efficiency furnaces available in Toronto Canada.. 🇨🇦. ‘Just replaced Original 2004 Lennox 88, 000 BTU @ 92% efficiency natural gas furnace with a 90, 000 BTU @ 96% High efficiency Lennox unit due to age in Toronto, Canada $3, 900 (CAD) as I already got my money’s worth and don’t want to freeze in cold winter.. Thanks for everyone’s info your channel is very informative .. I think with the new higher efficiency furnace now is oversize for 2, 700 sq ft home and cycles much more often which isn’t good for it’s more wear and tear on equipment.. I should’ve downsized to 80, 000 BTU instead >> All good 👍 BRAVO! 🇨🇦

[MK-xltt]

30 years in the industry and I completely agree with everything you said. You are very knowledgeable on residential equipment. My main reason for selling high efficiency furnaces is no chimney or eliminating an old chimney with no liner. Unfortunately the government sets the efficiency standards and all furnaces are now going to require ecm blower motors which are more problematic and ridiculously more expensive. It such a racket. I sell my customers on reliability and they thankful for the honesty.

[azycray]

Great advice from a retired gas fitter. I've replaced my furnace twice in the last 30 years, both times with an 80% model.

[ronen]

35 years in the business. You are straight to the point that exactly what I tell my customers

[dgar]

Thanks for your honesty. It makes sense . My Bryant 80% is 23 years old . Never a problem. I’ll get parts to a point if it fails.

[JohnHVACR]

I’ve been in the HVAC business over 20 years as a lead installer and I agree with what he said.
Same goes for those condensers with higher seer, the basic ones have much cheaper and less parts that can go wrong and can cool your house efficiently as long as it’s well sized.