Jordan Peterson: Why is Marxism so Attractive?

Jordan B Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. In this clip he talks about why Marxism is so attractive.

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[DavidM_GA]

The first rule of economics is there is not enough resources for everyone's desires. The first rule of politics is to ignore the first rule of economics. -Thomas Sowell

[Thleta]

"Everyone who has more than you got it by stealing it from you. Everyone who has more than me got it in a manner that was corrupt and that justifies not only my envy but my actions to level the field." Hit the nail on the head.

[CP]

“Ordinary people are too complacent about the mid-level bureaucrats who rule over them.”

That is the sentence of the month!

[karinak]

“You get (resent, deceit, and arrogance) together and you have a force you better be careful forward to June 2020 and YIKES

[seanoconnor]

i am a high school history teacher and i make damn sure my students know about the Ukraine, Stalin, Mao, what a kulak was, Nazism, Final Solution, Japanese militarism, Rwanda, Nietzsche all of it. JP is quite correct that post-modernist have taken over mid-level bureaucracies especially education.

[whitenoise]

Jordan Peterson is the only person I'm willing to consider an "influencer"

(To all those salty peeps, I'm referring to people who literally call themselves or identify as "influencers". I'm not referring to people with actual popularity or authority.)

[DunderMifflin_ThisisPam]

When I was 14 I wrote a long research paper on Karl Marx. When I began to study, I thought hey, these are good ideas! We can all be like Robin Hood and level out all the resources, have enough for all. As I continued to research I realized that his ideas were unsustainable and rotten at the core.
Here it is in visual form.
With Marxism, you have a large field with wheat seeds laid out uniformly on the soil. Some seeds are eaten by birds, some are diseased, some never take root. Some grow, but only as high as they should. The harvest has many bare spots and yields a modest crop.
With capitalist liberalism, there is a forest of diverse growth. The oak trees provide shelter for the ferns and berries, the willows and grasses hold down the soil, flowers grow, it teems with life. The only way the weaker plants survive is because of the shelter of the stronger trees all around, and the whole ecosystem provides for life to flourish.
Equality of work and outcome is impossible with a totally diverse humanity. Marxism cannot work - it is designed for robots or some other collective, where there is no individuality. Humanity will always be made up of individuals. It is who we are. Each fingerprint is unique.

[jonathanrodriguez]

"Do you think it's dying off?" Fast-forward to June 2020... "nope."

[loliH]

Fun fact: Karl Marx never ever cleaned up his room.

[timearly]

Years ago a Russian American speaker who'd worked in the Soviet Union said, 'Jealousy.' A common joke there: A man was offered one wish, ANYTHING he wanted. After giving it much thought, he wished his neighbour's cow would die...

[richardwilliams]

"Anyone who is rich got it by being crooked". My dad was a good man, but that was his philosophy. It screwed me up for years. That thought not only justifies failure, it Demands it

[joerobo]

It's only attractive to those who haven't lived under it.

[ivayloi]

It's always attractive since it provides what most people deeply desire - admission that they are victims, and should blame someone else for their problems. They can deny responsibility/kill/rob someone else and it's all fair since they are the true victims. This side of the human psyche is as true now, as it was true few centuries ago...

[cabbage]

Because it appeals to *Ego.*
It tells the believer they are a moral hero - a champion of the downtrodden and vulnerable - while also appealing to a selfish desire for power/control over other people. It's an attractive combination for an ego.

[mikoajzarnawski]

I grew up in a communist country. I remember food being rationed and empty shop shelves with nothing but vinegar on them. Go for communism if you can sustain for a longer period of time with vinegar as the basis of your diet, hahaha.

[Toolgdskli]

Like a lone voice warning people about the coming devastating storm.

[dnehs]

In a 1948 speech, a French writer-intellectual, Andre Malraux, stated that Stalinists do not want to debate with but personally destroy their opponents. This Stalinist characteristic has been inherited by today Left and effectively used against its adverseries. In addition, the Left has incorporated into Marxism the Hegemonic conceptualization of political struggle developed by Antonio Gramsci: to acquire power, the communist party has to first dominate and submit the cultural, educational, and governmental structures of society.

[vibovitold]

I believe there are deeper layers to it. Marxism nicely ties many archetypes that are imprinted in us. It's the story of utopia, of sacrifice, of "the last shall be first", it has its church (the party), its saints etc. It's essentially a bastardized version of Christianity. Yes, it's hostile towards Christianity - because it intends to replace it. But note how non-Christian cultures (such as China or Japan) are somehow immune to political correctness; coincidence? And the Marxist utopia goes way beyond "we'll all be equal", which is dull. It pretty much promises the end of all pains, attributing them to capitalism - eg. "alienation".

Marxism is also very handy as a worldview. A former Polish oppositionist, who started out as a Marxist (and became anti-Soviet socialist, essentially - there were many of them in the opposition), Jacek Kuroń, wrote once that reading a couple of Marxist brochures allowed you to debate any professor on any subject.

Once you start aproaching everything with a certain key - or a picklock - you have answers for everything. Everything in history becomes episodes on the way to communism, a tale of the working class. Or, in the new version, of the culture centre oppressing the minorities. You have a rebuttal for everyting and can dismiss everything that doesn't align with your worldview. This is very tempting, especially for intellectuals.

(Sorry about my English, it's not bad, but fails me when it comes to such sophisticated subjects - I'd have phrased it much better in my native one).

[przemax]

Marxism is attractive... only for people who don't need to live in marxist country.
I'm Pole, my country was under very strong influence of Soviet Union, so we can see marxism at work. Well.. it doesn't work at all, despite many reforms.
Sometimes I regret, than poland stop Soviets in 1920. If Western Europeans have taste a bit of real marxism - they would be invaxinated ;)

[Benny_]

It's extremely attractive. Think about it. It offers an enemy, the "opressor", which is responsible for most, if not all, your shortcomings in life, therefore exonerating you from any responsibility. At the same time, it justifies your envy and frustration, and say it's virtuous to lash out, and demand from other groups to forcibly give you stuff that you may desire, even if you don't deserve it, without the option of denying or even responding.

So it actually says that it's the job of other people to lift you up and fix the problems in your life. I mean... OF COURSE it's gonna be an easy sell