Can You REALLY Disarm a Gun?

In this video I explore the wild world of Gun Disarms with Icy Mike from @hard2hurt .. will they work?

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[jckingsley]

What we've learned is that you cannot rob Mike while he is eating pizza.

[bjt-lzjl]

Realistically, someone should only attempt to take the gun from someone if they are sure there's no getting out alive anyway. One thing that wasn't shown in the testing with the fake guns, is that if you grab the gun to get off the x for that first shot, your grab may stop another round from being chambered which gives you a huge chance of getting away.

[atleelang]

The style I was trained in had techniques for disarming guns, and my instructor refused to teach them because he didn't want anyone to think they could fight someone with a gun.

[EHirsh]

icy mike casually eating while deflecting sensei seth's gun is hilarious

[Jamoni]

Mike is developing his metaphysical combat skills.
He's going full Dillman.

[Pouncer_Fox]

I really respect the ending there, where you say "I don't know". The honest truth is, many martial art instructors out there don't know either. But instead of saying or even realizing that, they delude themselves and others by insisting that they do, and worse yet, present solutions rarely ever works.

[meoka]

Mike just casually eating pizza while deflecting shots is great.

[rando]

Why does no one do these disarms with a nerf/pellet gun while wearing safety goggles to see if you get shot?
Edit: Sensei Seth did exactly that. Respect

[williamalston]

Another point ALL these "gun disarms" don't consider: A gun with live ammo moves violently when going off. Slides move, cylinders rotate, gasses violently expel out. Depending on the size of the gun, and caliber of the ammo; you could easily cut, pinch, or blast off your finders holding it wrong. Guns have grips and handles for a reason.

[Epok]

Honestly, this is one of the things about self-defense that we tend to kinda forget about. That element of surprise is pretty important for what works in self-defense. A lot of time when we practice an exercise since everyone knows what will happen, people will respond with that prior knowledge of what self-defense technique they will use. I call it the martial arts chess game. It's the dialogue of "If you do this I would just do this". When in reality the brain has to recalibrate after dealing with new information it wasn't prepared for. This MIGHT mean certain things that we commonly think are sketchy may be more effective. If you respond in a novel way before the attacker can understand what's going on it can give you an advantage.

[KickyFut]

Mike repeatedly deflecting your gun while continuing to eat a piece of pizza is one of the funniest things I've seen in a very long while!!😂🤣😂

[eugenekillian]

Years ago a couple of guys - their names were Bob Taylor and Randy Warner - put out a video series on self-defense. Parts of their videos occasionally show up on YouTube with people poking fun at their (standing) 1990s jiu-jitsu stuff. But one thing they did that I remember is: They put on protective gear, got a pellet or paint gun (I forget which) and tried a bunch of gun disarms at real speed. Let’s just say it generally didn’t go well for the guy not holding the gun. The way I look at it is, he has to move his finger maybe a quarter of an inch to send a bullet at you at 1500 feet per second…meanwhile you have to go a long way to stop him. Bad odds, so if you’re going to try it, it’s only because all other options are gone…

[grimmpayday]

Easily the best part of the video was the montage of Mike eating a pizza and slapping the gun away like a master.

[klontjespap]

mike casually eating that pizza as he slaps the nerf gun away to prove his point :')

he didn't give away shit until he acted, very good sleight of mind stuff to mask your priming.

[jomess]

So I want to provide context for the victor Marx demo. Victor is a martial artist that mostly travels and talks to youth. He's a minister and that clip is part of a much longer video in which he pulls kids down and does a demo while also talking about life. It gets their attention. He does own a company that hires former vets and they actively help fight against human trafficking.

[RTTGunsGear]

Lots of comments here. I hope you read this one Seth. First, big fan! I watch all of your videos, although have only commented a couple time.

Second, I do teach both knife and gun disarms. And the first thing I tell people is DON'T DO THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE TO! Your wallet and jewelry is not worth dying for. However, disarms can work. And even if you don't get a full disarm, you can still run a significantly good chance of surviving the encounter.

I'm glad you and Mike mentioned getting off the center line. Because the most effective way to not get shot, is to not be in front of the barrel.

Also, "talking your way to the gun" is something I also teach. Even getting your wallet out and trying to hand it to the bad guy can often be enough to gain an advantage.

One thing I rarely try first is actually disarming the bad guy. As was pointed out in the video. It often times doesn't work. But controlling the muzzle of the pistol gives you not only a leverage advantage, but if you have stepped off the center and gaining control of the muzzle (slide) and usually one or both arms of the bad guy, and he does happen to get a stray shot off...it will not cycle and load another round. Now you have a dead pistol and you can proceed to fight over it.

People also need to keep in mind that the bad guy has chosen you because for one reason or another, you came across as an easy target. Bad guys don't like to work. They want prey. And the bad guy isn't going to be a martial artist with significant fighting skills to fight you for the gun. They're going to be some Crack head and they, again, looking at you as prey, don't expect you to try to disarm them. Unlike in your video where everyone was expecting the disarm. Knowing it's coming was the biggest advantage everyone in your video had.

Again. Disarms can a do work. If applied properly with the experience behind it. But one should really ask themselves if whatever the bad guy wants is worth potentially dying for. Because if you screw up, it could be the end.

Good video!

[dannyv]

A lot of gun disarms also rely on peoples hesitation to shoot, which is how they can end up being actually more possible in real life if you have a concrete plan. If you are getting robbed by a gunman most of the time they are using the gun as an intimidation tool. (Though something like 20% of people who are robbed still get hurt even if they fully comply). If you can read the robbers intentions your odds go way up. That said I doubt you ever get much more than a 50% chance of success, and most of the other times you are getting hurt, even if it's just losing a finger and not your life.

[tyeow]

when I did my advanced security training so I could carry cuffs my instructor was a retired RCMP officer who regularly travels to the US to perform de-escalation training there. he told us about a couple he knew in the states who both were sheriffs or something and taught the quick disarm BS. the husband went to use it in a real encounter and the wife got widowed.

[johnelliott]

Good video!

A couple points - work with weighted metal replicas (or real ones with the pins removed) instead of plastic if you can. Why? Those things are weighty, which means when you knock them or deflect them they have a fair bit more momentum and heft.

From a jujutsu perspective gun defense is basically the same as knife or sword defense - get off the line of attack, and then do something.

I have only seen one series of gun defenses that addressed the specific mechanics of the guns involved - that's from Vladimir Vasiliev (also the guy who had me train gun defense with weighted replicas)

Also the wrist thing (kote gaeshi) is supposed to flip someone who knows they'll get their wrist injured and decides to dive. For the uninitiated it's just supposed to cause an injury. To that end if you want to practice kote gaeshi I recommend you keep your hands close to your body while the enemy's hands are kept far from theirs. That's what makes kote gaeshi effective - you have a mechanical advantage. If you both have hands extended, then it's a strength contest

[mfrey]

To be fair, the guys that are moving with the technique (particularly the Krav Maga disarm) are not really being struck (stunned) because they are practicing and therefore training in a way to avoid injuries. If the defender connects, it’s probably going to play out a little different.