Airbus A320 gets a TCAS RA on Short Final at JFK. REAL ATC

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[DBR]

Very professional pilots. Absolutely the pilots I would want.

[AllThingsAviation]

From your radar… that helicopter is inside class bravo, before that shoreline it starts ground. Past shoreline towards the waters starts 500+… that helicopter should have been on jfk tower frequency. It’s a popular path for ga aircraft’s from farmingdale or islip to the Hudson River sfra. I’ve flown that route once and was on jfk tower frequency even below the bravo at 300 feet close to the shoreline.

[PlaneroDeLey]

why the chopper are not in the frecuency ??

[nidurnevets]

There is a tendency to say "nothing has ever happened, so it won't" This could have been a major disaster.

[theHDRflightdeck]

As an airline pilot in Europe it boggles my mind that an “unknown” aircraft can get anywhere near a main airport.

[KandeShack]

My Son is a Pilot for Delta and if I had his flight info I would listen on LiveATC. Now however they’ve gotten rid of the KSLC channel😔

[aviation_nut]

If the locations of the aircraft are accurate, the unknown aircraft (can we call it a UFO?) was on the inside of the class B airspace by a half mile or so. The TAC chart defines this space clearly as anything off the coastline is Class B above 500 feet, but anywhere inland (including where the UFO is indicating on the map in this video) Class B is from the surface up. So the UFO busted Class B airspace and had no business being that close. Whether the TCAS would have still signaled had it been where it should have been is unknown, although I'd expect the Jetblue to be under the glidescope if that were the case. At the beach, it'd be about 3.5 miles from touchdown. According to the video, the aircraft got the RA alert right over the beach, which would probably be at 1, 100, giving it 600 feet of clearance over the UFO about a half-mile in front of it. I don't know enough about TCAS to know if it considers vertical speed in its calculations, but I imagine 600 feet is at least enough for it to alert pilots of some kind of conflict. Had the UFO been just off the beach, the aircraft would have been at about 1, 400 feet above as it approaches (assuming it still alerts a half-mile out) which still may have given some kind of potential conflict alert but not enough for a full out RA alert. So I would say judging by the map which again I'm unsure is accurate or not, the unidentified aircraft deviated and entered bravo airspace without as much as a radio call and caused a traffic conflict.

[JosephSzarmachJr]

Between the three New York airports the class bravo is massive. Throw in the Atlantic Ocean and this leaves very few alternatives for smaller airplanes. One of those alternatives is flying along the shore at less than 500 ft to transition to the north or south. This is not all that uncommon. There's little to no risk of collision however tcas is programmed with rules that work everywhere else and don't take one specific approach into consideration. If a rare go around is the worst of it, that's a small price we pay to live in a free country.

[skmeth]

What is wrong with ATC in the US? Giving instructions to climb during a dynamic TCAS RA maneuver. If the DHL and Russian ac crash at the German border taught us anything, is to follow TCAS and disregard any ATC instructions…

[RT-qdyl]

And I bet nothing will even happen to the other pilot. Your wonderful government in action, folks.