The Protestant 1500 Year Gap

Martin Luther's 1500 Year Gap

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[extradecaf]

Literally some of the New Testament books were letters writing to churches because they had already gone astray and that was with the apostles still alive

[geothepoly]

This is a huge strawman of protestantism. Unless you're some sort of restorationist, the general protestant position is that the church fell into significant errors around the medieval period that the reformation sought to correct, but there was no point in which true Christianity ceased to exist.

[nerdtalk]

Tell me you don’t understand the historical Protestant reformation without telling me.

This guy:

[ZachWill]

Not even the Reformers believed this bro

[stephen]

Jesus keeps his promises. Thanks be to God 🙏

[charleswheeler]

In the middle ages, the Catholic church was literally selling the forgiveness of sins. Clearly the church needed some reforms.

[Lugal]

As a Lutheran, the general view my tradition has is that the Church never fell nor was their some great apostatsy. For the most part, true doctrine was preached (though Sola Fide differed in the fathers, among other issues). It is when you are a baptist or pentecostal that church history becomes a problem. Lutherans affirm a lot of Catholic ideas, and we are in continuity with the ancient faith.

[perrywilliams]

One of the biggest problems with Catholic apologists is their assumption that Western church hegemony equals holy imprimatur, and that not of the Catholic variety. *sigh* 🙄

[jaydenhicks]

Leave cliff alone man he does more to bring people to god than u do

[ParrotsClash]

A baptism is a personal testimony and is a symbol of dying and rising with Christ. Babies don't have the ability to acknowledge that. Who is the pope when God should be our leader and commander. Why should the pope be able to make changes to the Bible when it's already Perfectly created by God? Why should we pray to saints when God is the one we should be praying to? Why should we confess sins to a priest when we only need to confess to God? Many people who are born in Catholicism think that just because they were baptized as a baby, or they went to confession means that those things are enough for them to be right with God.

[IndoHelleneBall]

bro not letting infants be baptized just throws confirmation out the window

[michaelschaper]

The early church fathers are the key. I know at least three former Presbyterians who said St. John Christendom helped them come to the Faith. Keep strong my brother!

[willdaw]

What about Augustine ? Born is 354? He was a big influence for Luther . They did not all of a sudden 1, 500 years later start teaching new ideas on doctrine. It was around long long ago.

[Luis_Sanflor]

Hey, but the reformation was started cause I've heard that the Catholic church was getting quite corrupt at that time?

[sebastianmujkic]

Idk why I keep getting this dude on my feed, but seems like his entire goal is to sow division among us.
I'm a protestant, and having some dude call me a heretic because I choose to soley follow Jesus and not some rotting corpse embalmed in a glass sarcophagus of some dude that died 800 years ago...

[Gillpriest_]

Luther started the reformation because he felt the pope and catholic church were corrupt in the 1500s. And the protestant church did not stop infant baptism after reformation when congreationalists and Baptists "reformed" they started a church from scratch the og reformed Christians did not end with the traditional teachings and the protestant church during reformation did not claim that they are a new church but they are changing they church

We live in the age of grace. Catholicism makes Christianity into a works-based religion. There is only one way to God, and it’s through the belief of Jesus’s atonement for our sins. No money, no traditions, no rites, no works. It’s simply the wholehearted belief in Jesus Christ.

[anurag]

More people began to become educated and were able to read and interpret the Bible for themselves without needing a church or other authority to do so

[ramicald]

Intentionally or Unintentionally they Basically are saying that Jesus and his apostles and followers and Early Church Fathers failed miserable and 1500 years later ONLY they established the "true" church

[euanthompson]

So several major issues. The first being that no protestant believes the church immediately fell into error. That is a Muslim belief. If you can't even get the start of that right how do you hope to get any of the rest right? Roman Catholics always complain we misrepresent them but then never bother to learn our beliefs .
When you read history you can see the accretions in Rome.
The earliest fathers rejected even having icons lest people worship them. One Roman even asked for an idol of Jesus and was rebuked. Yet Nicea 2 claims they venerated them and says anyone who disagrees is seperated from God. This is taken as infallible by Rome, but the council got it wrong. The council of Frankfurt seems to have been right about it.
You have the reformation of Gregory in the 11th century, which he calls a reformation, changing the appointments of Bishops from kings to the church and moving from a more humble less universal pope to the power hungry style we have now.
During this reformation the exterminate churches that didn't fit the RCC mold that all look very protestant.

Meanwhile, parts of the world that were not RCC or EO seem to trundle on not having many of these kinds of issues. Icon veneration is not universal. None of the issues of Rome are. Just because Rome began to fall into error doesn't mean everywhere else did.

You are also using the gates of hell line wrong.