Streaming, Politics, & Philosophy | @destiny | EP 433

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with Steven Bonnell II, also known as Destiny. They discuss the differences between the left and the right, force versus invitation, the feasibility and pitfalls of command economies, the dangers of ideology, and government response to worldwide crises.

Destiny, also known as Steven Bonnell II, is a prominent political commentator and content creator known for his debate skills and provocative takes on various issues. With a passion for gaming, politics, and philosophy, Destiny engages in lively discussions that often challenge the status quo.

This episode was recorded on February 3rd, 2024

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(0:00) Tour info 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:18) Intro
(2:22) Early days of streaming, how Steven entered political commentary
(7:40) Changes in thinking: shifting to the left
(12:11) The key differences between left and right worldviews
(13:29) Intervention, distribution, gigantism, and populism
(23:42) Redistribution and command economies, can they work?
(29:32) Negative externalities, balancing free markets with incentivized behavior and their effects on the poor
(37:34) Climate and economic models: two Towers of Babel
(40:57) The timeframe of C02 models changes the outlook, so how far back should we consider?
(43:12) The green guise of compassion obscures underlying intent
(47:34) The psychology of those who utter, “There are too many people on the planet”
(49:46) Destiny’s Jenga Tower, an analogy for how people become stuck in their beliefs
(57:00) Why people fear nuclear energy
(58:30) Realities of the green energy pipe dream
(1:00:32) Is it malevolence or ignorance that drives bad ideas? Motives versus public perception
(1:03:19) Both parties wield power when they have it, so how do we mitigate it?
(1:07:37) Was WWII Germany right or left wing?
(1:09:19) Moses and the desert
(1:13:56) Living in separate realities and bridging the divide
(1:15:50) MRNA, validity of rollout and excess deaths
(1:24:34) It wasn’t just the left
(1:26:27) Weighing the fear of a crisis against the use of experimental technology
(1:30:00) Mass consensus
(1:37:38) Psychopathy and levels of malevolence
(1:43:10) Do marriage and society exist without force?
(1:47:50) Tit-for-tat, force or justice?
(1:59:11) Why Steven debates

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[ajbrewer]

This feels like a father and son debating over the dinner table after the rest of the family had enough and went to bed... and its great lol

[orcanimal]

Jordan told Destiny, "You have the right to your own Destiny" without a hint of irony. What a fantastic conversation.

[fork]

Who’s here after Destiny’s twitter rant after Trump got shot?

[JsYTA]

Destiny's story should be a case study for how "Influencers" are way more influenced by their audience than their audience could possibly be influenced by them.

[jadonharper]

Never in my life did I think I would see this pairing, I admire the diversity of guests on this podcast.

[Eze_Cloud]

I love a debate with zero personal attacks.

[christianwood]

1:39:30 he basically predicted he would make comments like he did after trump shooting … crazy

[TheBB]

This is what a Presedential debate should look like.

[over]

The subtle, unspoken, mutual apologies for getting too worked up were things of absolute beauty. I'd love to see much more between these two.

[dropfry]

"The necessity to use force is a sign of bad policy."

[jmcconvil]

Gosh this is a great conversation. Good for JP and Destiny for keeping it cordial. Knowing what they are getting into by agreeing to the conversation and still doing it. Gives me hope.

[Noccyboy]

51 minutes in, things are tense, the fadeaway to the advertisement had me DYING of laughter

[kylesadirtbag]

“ guys please you’re ruining Easter for the whole family”

[pjones]

Health care worker here, I was forced to get vaccinated or lose my job..now, new employees dont have to get vaccinated. I Wonder why that is.

[supaflyspy.]

any debate starting with a psychoanalysis is always the best

[leonabarkell]

As a conservative, I am now skeptical aboul both gigantic business and government. It's especially dangerous because they are working together.

[ChaimS]

Wow, what a rarity! A non-moderated, true debate with plenty of yelling and passion, but not a single personal attack! And for 2 hours!

[WilliamBean]

This is up there as one of my favourite discussions! Would love to see a part 2.

[dyhosjw]

THIS is Jordan Peterson, damn!! What an amazing conversation! Thank you both for engaging in this.

[normanlewis]

Mr Vermicelli was surprisingly respectful and well tempered. Great talk.