Shelley Lubben - Michael Whiteacre Face-Off part 3

On January 19, 2011, after a long day editing the forthcoming documentary "The Devil And Shelley Lubben," I walked over to the Rainbow Bar and Grill on West Hollywood's famous Sunset Strip (coincidentally, next door to The "Roxy") for dinner and cocktails and who of all people did I run into? Shelley Lubben, in the flesh.

The Lord truly does work in mysterious ways.

Mrs. Lubben agreed to sojourn with me in the Rainbow parking lot for a lengthy mutual interview. Her "videographer" was "Ricky B." Burchell, the "producer" of her new rap album(!), as well as recordings by Kurtis Blow & The Trinity, and mine was my dinner companion, who captured the event in its entirety on my iPhone's video camera.

Before we began, we agreed to make it as cordial and polite as possible, then we shook hands and came out swinging. What resulted is an exciting, contentious, face-of between a controversial, outspoken public figure and one of her fiercest critics.

As Mrs. Lubben and I addressed and faced each other's cameras, the topics we touched upon included: porn, herpes, the church, her eight-foot staff and altar at her home in Bakersfield, her organization's financial statements, Michael Weinstein and AIDS Healthcare Foundation, Judith Reisman, Brooke Ashley, "snitches" and "double-agents," and much much more.

Mrs. Lubben had expressed fears that I might edit her statements out of context, so I have sought to alleviate those concerns here by deciding to post my version of our interview COMPLETE AND UNABRIDGED. There are no edits of any kind (but since the interview ran more than thirty minutes, it had to be split into parts for YouTube). The only alteration from the original is that the sound has been equalized to remove traffic rumble.

I welcome Mrs. Lubben to post her version in its entirety, or in parts -- the full version is available now through this posting.

The interview ran more than thirty minutes, so it had to be split into parts for YouTube.

And for those wondering what Mrs. Lubben had to drink at The Rainbow, I only saw soft drinks at her table.

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From the LukeIsBack forum:

slubben says:

Yep, Michael, you are desperate. You're not going to stop me regardless of what you do. I find it "coincidental" you just happened to be standing there when I walked back to use the restroom and there's a camera on my face.

Keep following me if you want but like I said, you're just helping my cause. I get more people coming to my site because of youtube than ever! And thousands are writing me thanking me they learned the truth about porn and especially the truth about Jesus Christ, that He loves them and He has a better plan than porn for their lives!

I'll be praying for you at my altar with my big 8 ft. staff ;
Shelley


Michael Whiteacre says:

Following you? Why are you so paranoid, Mrs. Lubben? I thought only criminals were that paranoid?

I live two blocks away from the Rainbow. I walked to dinner there. At my table, my dinner companion spotted you (you arrived after me -- which by the way, was witnessed and attested to by independent witnesses). Rather than rudely interrupt your dinner, I waited for you to get up. I thought you were walking to the front door -- because the bathroom is the other way (left from your table in front of the fireplace, but you went right).

No Shelley, I wouldn't know where to begin to follow you. Where would I have followed you from? Bakersfield? You came to my street and you accuse me? It's far more likely that you are following me, isn't it Mrs. Lubben? You come to the restaurant where I am having dinner and bring along a videographer. Hmmm. All I had was the camera on my iPhone. If I were stalking you, I would have brought my professional camera, the same one I've used to interview a host of people who debunk you and your ministry.

I notice how once the cameras are off, the real Roxy, I mean Shelley, comes out.

Shelley, you are in my prayers as well. Best of luck to you.

Cheers,

MW

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[richardwise]

Nigga, she asked you if it was a good thing and you say "free-will is good, and that's an option" Dude, we know we have options and free-will, and you can also use it to make good decisions…. she's asking if it's a good decision, which you didn't answer.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

She was in the adult film industry only about a year -- from 1993-94. This was before the AIM health clinic for performers, modern PCR-based HIV testing, and universal STI testing for performers, btw.

[christielemonastere]

“Go and sin NO MORE” Jesus said (John 8:11), Micheal you got it ALL wrong, 1 corinthians 6:9 “neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals will enter the kingdom of God”, don’t take things out of context, you live for God not for yourself when you become Christian. You don’t wanna life for Jesus fine that’s you rejecting God and He will reject you as well and that’s your choice.

[williamcarey]

WOW!! What happened to Shelly!! I remember Shelly from high school!! She was such a cute and pretty girl in high school and a good friend of mine took her to the prom!! She was drop-dead gorgeous in her prom dress when I saw her in the late spring of 1984!! So sad that she fell to this level!!

[RiRiracheel]

michael whiteacre why do you go through so much truble to hurt someone that helps other poeple? (this qustion is to michael whiteacre as hes trying to hurt her emontionaly from what hes been doing)

[MichaelWhiteacre]

(1) Here's something you wrote me in a direct message which I find quite revealing: "Should those who do not keep the Sabbath be put to death?

First of all, you need to define what "keep the Sabbath" actually means. Are you asking if those who do not go to church should be killed? No. We are under the law of GRACE now, not the LETTER OF THE LAW. Sabbath literally means REST not grouping together in a building, singing songs, and listening to someone read from the Bible."

[MichaelWhiteacre]

Clearly you haven't done much research if you think Shelley Lubben helps people. May I recommend the videos (which can be found in my Lubben playlist) "Porn Stars Stalked by Online Predator!" and "Shelley Lubben: Prophet or Pimp?"

[MichaelWhiteacre]

Because this is about authoritarian trying to control what SEX is or should be; what the "appropriate" form of sex is. In Shelley Lubben's world, sex should only be heterosexual sex in marriage. People with impulse control problems like the self professed alcoholic, drug-addict Mrs. Lubben don't/can't trust themselves, so they wish to imprison us all.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

@BobChaos23 Indeed, that would be too much of a stretch for the Rebel Prophet. Or is it spelled p-r-o-f-i-t?

[MichaelWhiteacre]

@ashestoyoursoul Brooke Ashley, Savannah Jane and others who provided me with documentation (and who will be revealed in future episodes of the doc). You're entitled to your opinions about pornography, but neither you nor I nor Shelley is entitled to our own facts.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

@ashestoyoursoul My source is the tax returns posted on the Pink Cross website (as requited by law), and the copies filed with GuideStar (which vary, interestingly). You can do a google search of Julie Meadows' blog for a thorough dissection of the 2008 and 2009 Pink Cross tax returns.

[mizakzee]

@DelusionDispeller The bible clearly speaks against eating pig and shellfish (lev 11:7, 12), against wearing clothes of mixed fabric (lev 19:19), against shaving (lev 19:27), and not just for, but demanding the stoning of those who tell you not to believe in Yahweh (deut 13:6-10). Do you follow all of this?

[MichaelWhiteacre]

No, this has not been well documented. These are consenting adults having sex. There is no such thing as 100% sterile, risk-free sex. There is risk in ANY sexual encounter. There is no "regular" exchanging of blood in porn, and you cannot prove that common infections such as colds -- things that are out on the general public -- were transferred on set. You simply can't.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

If the devil exists in this world, he exists in the idea that the world owes you something, and that you can just take what you want. That is Shelley Lubben's mindset.

Were in the bible does it say that one is supposed to sin in order to reveal Christ? How can lies be the way to Christ?

[MichaelWhiteacre]

You have nailed it here, and condensed it better than I ever have. According to Shelley Lubben there is HER worldview, which is righteous and correct, and then there is the worldview of anyone who disagrees with her. Those who disagree with her are 1) mentally ill, 2) demon-possessed, or 3) both. The only people who buy this thinking are simpletons, and her "arguments" reflect this. There are no subtleties in her world: she is right and I am a slave of satan; she's honest and I am evasive, etc.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

She's taking money under false pretenses -- thats fraud and theft;
She's lying and bearing false witness about people in the industry;
She's dishonoring her parents;
She's giving false testimony in front of public hearings and government agencies;
And she's doing it on G-d's name.

[mizakzee]

@DelusionDispeller Then why does the 'creator' design us with the capacity to do so if it was not in vis design?
Also, what does the bible call for in regards to porn?
P.S. It seems like your marriage wasn't great if perverted sex can ruin it, was it impossible to reconcile it? I'm genuinely curious.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

@Commander Kruge You are correct, my friend. Please peruse the Lubben playlist on my channel -- of particular interest may be the 'Accidentally an Eight Foot Staff' video, as well as 'The Book of Shelley'

[TA-tokt]

It's really hard to hear this woman's message when her videos are still VERY available online and you can see first-hand the level of depravity she went to. Her movies are low-budget and disgusting - even by the Porn industry's standards. She preaches against homosexuality yet you can see her lesbian scenes in which she is a passionate, enthusiastic performer. She allowed multiple men to do her simultaneously. She was NOT held against her will, she was a willing participant! I understand people can change but unfortunately, her past will ALWAYS be there to haunt her.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

We have to take her at her word that she had a bad experience in porn. Evidence indicates she kept coming back for more until no one wanted her anymore. See The Devil and Shelley Lubben episode 2 in my Lubben playlist, or -- better yet -- the slightly extended version on DailyMotion.