Shelley Lubben - Michael Whiteacre Face-Off part 2

On January 19, 2011, after a long day editing the forthcoming documentary "The Devil And Shelley Lubben," I walked over to the Rainbow Bar and Grill on West Hollywood's famous Sunset Strip (coincidentally, next door to The "Roxy") for dinner and cocktails and who of all people did I run into? Shelley Lubben, in the flesh.

The Lord truly does work in mysterious ways.

Mrs. Lubben agreed to sojourn with me in the Rainbow parking lot for a lengthy mutual interview. Her "videographer" was "Ricky B." Burchell, the "producer" of her new rap album(!), as well as recordings by Kurtis Blow & The Trinity, and mine was my dinner companion, who captured the event in its entirety on my iPhone's video camera.

Before we began, we agreed to make it as cordial and polite as possible, then we shook hands and came out swinging. What resulted is an exciting, contentious, face-of between a controversial, outspoken public figure and one of her fiercest critics.

As Mrs. Lubben and I addressed and faced each other's cameras, the topics we touched upon included: porn, herpes, the church, her eight-foot staff and altar at her home in Bakersfield, her organization's financial statements, Michael Weinstein and AIDS Healthcare Foundation, Judith Reisman, Brooke Ashley, "snitches" and "double-agents," and much much more.

Mrs. Lubben had expressed fears that I might edit her statements out of context, so I have sought to alleviate those concerns here by deciding to post my version of our interview COMPLETE AND UNABRIDGED. There are no edits of any kind (but since the interview ran more than thirty minutes, it had to be split into parts for YouTube). The only alteration from the original is that the sound has been equalized to remove traffic rumble.

I welcome Mrs. Lubben to post her version in its entirety, or in parts -- the full version is available now through this posting.

And for those wondering what Mrs. Lubben had to drink at The Rainbow, I only saw soft drinks at her table.

Continued in Part 3

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From the LukeIsBack forum:

slubben says:

Yep, Michael, you are desperate. You're not going to stop me regardless of what you do. I find it "coincidental" you just happened to be standing there when I walked back to use the restroom and there's a camera on my face.

Keep following me if you want but like I said, you're just helping my cause. I get more people coming to my site because of youtube than ever! And thousands are writing me thanking me they learned the truth about porn and especially the truth about Jesus Christ, that He loves them and He has a better plan than porn for their lives!

I'll be praying for you at my altar with my big 8 ft. staff ;
Shelley


Michael Whiteacre says:

Following you? Why are you so paranoid, Mrs. Lubben? I thought only criminals were that paranoid?

I live two blocks away from the Rainbow. I walked to dinner there. At my table, my dinner companion spotted you (you arrived after me -- which by the way, was witnessed and attested to by independent witnesses). Rather than rudely interrupt your dinner, I waited for you to get up. I thought you were walking to the front door -- because the bathroom is the other way (left from your table in front of the fireplace, but you went right).

No Shelley, I wouldn't know where to begin to follow you. Where would I have followed you from? Bakersfield? You came to my street and you accuse me? It's far more likely that you are following me, isn't it Mrs. Lubben? You come to the restaurant where I am having dinner and bring along a videographer. Hmmm. All I had was the camera on my iPhone. If I were stalking you, I would have brought my professional camera, the same one I've used to interview a host of people who debunk you and your ministry.

I notice how once the cameras are off, the real Roxy, I mean Shelley, comes out.

Shelley, you are in my prayers as well. Best of luck to you.

Cheers,

MW

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[supersmart]

Good job Shelly Lubben. You kept your cool, May the good Lord be with you to eradicate the sin of pornography. Keep up the good work!!

[sabdu]

A few questions for the interviewer:
1. whats the point of this impassioned interview?
2. Why should Shelley prove she had std - whats your end game?
3. How is your contention helping people trapped in sexual perversion find the freedom they desperately need right now?
4. How has your mission glorified God?
5. Have you been delivered from your OWN SINS through the gospel of Jesus Christ?

[MichaelWhiteacre]

I'm well, thanks. Still working on a few projects, so no release date yet -- but it's all been shot.

[astralman]

@MichaelWhiteacre i wanna know what your personal opinion of the industry is. if you don't mind my asking.

[rileyrei]

Michael Whitreacre when will the last episode be on youtube?

[ymdunn]

How dare she take my porn away! Grow up, no one is perfect. Not christians not non-christians. She is trying to help those who want out of that lifestyle, and Jesus is the best way out of that lifestyle or any other lifestyle to be set free from. Movies are not speech.

[ImSoPeeved]

No one said I was a Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc. I do, however, happen to know each of those religions very well. So to call me a "fundamentalist Christian" was baseless and renders your entire argument pointless. This dude voiced his strict adherence to the Jewish law. So, because he pulled the "I can't do that because I'm a Jew" card, the question that I posed is only natural and very relevant. All you've countered with is "well, you're a Christian and aren't perfect, either."
Bravo.

[MsFreedomfly]

Any sexually immoral act that's not between husband and wife is immoral. They didn't call it porn, it doesn't have to. Whether you are selling your body on the street back in the biblical times or today on a porn set. It's same thing prostitution. Thank God He forgives when we ask.

[TheSacredlizzy]

Satan is the accuser of the brethren. Shelley hold you head high I love you.

[ImSoPeeved]

How does an Orthodox Jew justify porn? I honestly don't understand that. The Jewish law is far more strict than what Christians are expected to follow.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

@peterchido1 No, it is not. Trafficking is illegal non-consensual activity. If porn was trafficking, the government would be able to shut down the industry instsntly, overnight.

[EHCBunnyreal]

The are other pros of the industry that have the same opinion as Lubben's. Google, the pros who did "debbie does dallas, and deep throat."

So what if some survive with minimal damage. It's still damaged. And that damage often falls on social services to undo. Where's the disability insurance, and retirement pensions other pros like football players have?

Let's end the fantasy that no one get hurt in porn.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

@BobChaos23 Exactly. The cache of evidence. Where is it? It probably looks like the notebooks the killer kept in the movie "Seven" -- page after page of psychotic ramblings.

[darwinjr]

Do most fundamentalist Christian women use as much make-up as Shelly? Isn't vanity a deadly sin or something? She reminds me of that Blue Oyster Cult song 'Mirrors'.
"A mirror, is a negative space with a frame,
And a place for your face
It reveals, what the rest of us see
It conceals, what you'd like it to be"

[MichaelWhiteacre]

I'm glad you brought up that video. I have already documented online that EVERY CLIP in that video is from a commercially released video. It contains NO "secret footage" of abuse that "the porn industry doesn't want you to see." Instead, it is comprised of clips from videos the industry released and wants you to buy. Lubben's video is a disingenuous hatchet job cobbled together from "rough sex" clips and carefully edited to convey the impression of abuse. All those women are alive and well.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

No, YOU are choosing to believe the unproven claim that she has changed! Do you believe everyone who says they are saved and then asks for money? Have you never heard of charlatans and false prophets? Ever hear of Joseph Smith and the golden tablets that no one else ever saw? Use your discernment, man.

You're another one who can't answer a single one of my questions, and refuses to look objectively at the facts, but instead follows blindly.

[ohmixmaster]

@72KingDavid How exactly is "porn" equated to "fornication?" Not being confrontational, but just fyi, the Bible wasn't written in Greek.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

@jordanowen42 These are the mental gymnastics of those who cannot face the truth, but instead create their own new "reality" where they are special, chosen, famous, adored, etc... Shelley believes most of what she says (denial and mania may figure in this), but deep down inside she knows she's a hustler, and that she's no good -- and she's torn about it. That is her most positive quality, because it probably indicates she still has a soul. It does not, however, excuse her actions.

[MichaelWhiteacre]

Funny that few people who've ben affiliated with her feel helped or rescued -- even anti-porn Christians like April Garris. Instead they feel used, exploited, misled, chewed up and spit out. Other sex industry ministries won't have anything to do with Lubben either.

Champion charlatan is more like it.

[TA-tokt]

It's really hard to hear this woman's message when her videos are still VERY available online and you can see first-hand the level of depravity she went to. Her movies are low-budget and disgusting - even by the Porn industry's standards. She preaches against homosexuality yet you can see her lesbian scenes in which she is a passionate, enthusiastic performer. She allowed multiple men to do her simultaneously. She was NOT held against her will, she was a willing participant! I understand people can change but unfortunately, her past will ALWAYS be there to haunt her.