How Is objective Truth An Argument For God?

Discussing the objective truth, the laws of logic and the existence of God.

[jackjones]

"The fool tells himself there is no God." The fact that God used many the world would marginalize and shun is further evidence of His vast superiority to the ways of man. Man's best is but filthy rags to Him. His mercy and grace are abundant in the fact that He even allows us to continue existing. Mankind is reverting back to the dark days of Noah right before our eyes.

[ThinkKnowLiveMedia]

I love the way you handle this particular question. I also love the “Frank”-ness of the way you respond😜😄

We really appreciate who you are & what you do!

[gloryboundkev]

There is truth and there is fantasy. God is truth. John 14:6.

[asgaiyawaya]

I have used this kind of argument before but never in this way. The way I used it was I tried to use something that even if you were color blind, or some other mental impairment, you would eventually have no choice but to accept it is true like the sun exists or the sun is yellow. They try to get around the point of it but eventually they ditch the argument because it is an objective truth they can't get around. But the way he does it is more interesting because it better thrusts them into a corner that they can't get out of.

[keifer]

That's exactly what I've been thinking as a deist, but could never articulate it. This man is brilliant

[Cobra-ztoq]

Words! We couldn’t talk to our very selves without the use of words. The use of words and our ability to read and communicate through their usage is the very image of God in us. John 1:1

[godonlyone]

Without God, there could be no laws of logic.

[truecore]

In John chapter 1 verse 1 where it says in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God! The "Word" translates from the Greek to the English as Logos which means logic! In the beginning was the logic, and the logic was with God, and the logic was God! Logic existed before man did was the basis of Franks argument!

[stickmansam]

Amen!! Indeed, God is the foundation of logic. As Sye likes to say "It's either God or absurdity" :-)

[godonlyone]

Without God, there could be no objective truth.

[joemarisolmeron]

God Himself is the ultimate, absolute and objective truth but when it comes to human implication he will always depends on objective truth as God is, which helps us decide to a greater good and greater truth.

[Karma]

What I've always said is this - we understand things now that were incomprehensible to humans 50 years ago. Just because we understand certain things through scientific discovery, doesn't mean the concept of something incomprehensible such as God may exist.

Something such as a God, creator of the universe (and possibly infinite universe's), would be almost impossible for us to truly understand. The majority of us don't even understand the science behind the matter that makes up the screen you are looking at now.

[mandsrichardson]

The laws of logic are just descriptions of reality. I would say for anything that exists, it must be itself, not not itself and can’t be itself and not itself at the same time. Requires no mind behind it, just reality.

[josemontalvo]

Wonderful! Enjoyed watching! Thank you for sharing! God bless your ministry!

[lewis]

Very specious arguments.
- "Truth" is a statement that reflects reality.
- 2 + 2 = 4 because that is the implicit definition of 4. The mind behind maths is the human mind... it's a symbolic representation of reality.
- The laws of logic are statements that describe reality and the behaviour of reality.
- The laws of logic are spaceless, timeless and immaterial because they are descriptions of physical entities. Just like "red". They don't exist independently.
- Before there were any human beings on Earth, there could not have been the statement "there are no human beings on the Earth" as there was no one to make that statement.
- "Laws are grounded in a mind" is false... again, they are statements that _describe_ physical behaviour.
- Truths can't exist without a mind because, as I stated _" "Truth" is a statement that reflects reality."_

[zipzorp]

To say that truth, or logic must exist in a mind, is an assertion.

[garrethoien]

Yes laws of the human minds are grounded in human minds. Without human minds no one can answer what would be. That doesn't mean you get to say therefore God and more specifically your god

[wmarkfish]

Is objective truth the exact opposite of subjective truth? I think what the christian argument is getting at is not an objective truth which can still be relative to point of view but the Absolute truth which is neither subjective nor relative. Atheist would then say that the Absolute can not be ascertained where the believer would say "not ascertained but it can be approached". God is that Absolute. All words that can be said to be "absolutes" like Truth, Justice, Beauty, Love can only be describing one thing because there can be only one Absolute and that is God. Our relative instruments cannot detect it but can follow its trajectory.

[cralanceragster]

Truths are grounded in reality not minds

[JustAHevel]

Holy crap, dude! 'Before there were human beings...' blew my mind!