The 'Science-Based' Scam

[TheJollyMisanthrope]

The big problem is 99% of the people that watch "science based" fitness videos don't actually do any research after the fact. They trust the personality on the channel and assume they wouldn't lie to them.

[georgesarreas]

Most of the "science based" community is basically a lot of YouTubers that are subscribed to MASS talking about topics on MASS. Here is the deal . The guys on MASS are Greg Nuckols, Eric helms, Mike zurdos, etc. They are real world coaches and athletes who use their experience together with their academic background to go through studies, check how they are conducted and give some practical applications. They go through the methods of the studies in order to show the viewer how to decipher these studies because most of the studies are lacking! Mike israetel is another good example of science based guy that values individual experience and difference. Also a good real world coach. If there is something that is proven is that multiple methods work. Low volume, high volume, low rpe, failure training, high frequency, low frequency. In the end though. What would it take to get you to the gym training and stick to it? And what are you training for? And I can guarantee that everyone of you who wants to be elite level athlete would not stick to science but hire a PROVEN coach

[CCSABCD]

I wouldn't put Jeff N and BB medicine with Seedman or Athlean x in t he same bag though

[PmanDelux]

as a flat earther i completely agree with your anti science stance

[droogbear]

My kinesiology degree was pretty good from penn state. As far as for lifting and athletics not so much. The main thing i took from it was experiment design, epidemiology, and research. Kinesiology seems to mostly to be an avenue for physical therapy.

[jacobhenderson]

I know it was mostly a joke but if you look into Jeff cavalier more you’ll find shit that’s out right dangerous. He instructs people to breath out before squatting instead of properly breathing and braceing. Which is not great.

[ramonkroes]

I think there are levels to this, when I started working out I got a lot of information from channels like Jeff Nippard. I don't think "intermediate" and "advanced" lifters rely on the information from Jeff Nippard, I think they know how individual training is and might watch more channels like RP or JST (or none at all because they read books or know their own training). These are also scientific channels but make clear that training is individual and that you must try to search what is optimal for yourself (or client).

[brenm]

As someone currently studying S&C at university level, I feel this. Such a soft science, large amount of fluff and anything useful they teach can easily be found on the internet. Love the martial arts analogy, will definitely be using that going forward.

[anthonypillarella]

This is a very critical comment, so I want to first point out that I've followed and enjoyed your channel since you helped with my first weight cut in 2018. Please don't write this off as someone who isn't a fan coming in here to yell at you, I'm here because I was interested in your take on this.

This video, insofar as it refers to Jeff Nippard, could not be more wrong.

- Leverage degree to give position of authority: Literally doesn't mention his degree. I've followed him for years and found out what the degree was a few weeks ago due to Rona discussions. The entirety of his comments are surrounding the studies he's referencing.
- Using one-off trash study to sell bullshit: Uses meta analyses when possible, rarely references just one study. Frequently mentions when something needs more exploration.
- Overextrapolating study results: Also, no. In fact, every video states that fitness/muscle building is highly individualized, and that the "science-based" recommendations simply offer a good place to start.

This feels like you made a video about Joel Seedman, then threw in the biggest YT names in the video and thumbnail for clicks, assuming they'd be the same. It's unsurprising you had to walk back your statement on Jeff Cavaliere given how little research you clearly did on Jeff Nippard.

[AP-quli]

Personal training should be looked at more as a trade in my opinion. You wouldn't ask a plumber what he knows about laminar flow before he fixes a burst pipe. As long as you know that he's an actual plumber and that he's done this before with satisfactory results, you feel good about hiring him.

Hiring a scientist to help you with personal training seems like hiring a physicist to fix your burst pipe. Yeah, they know the mechanics of how the pipe burst, and why the solder adheres to the copper pipe, but he's never fixed a pipe.

Of course you can be both a tradesman and a scientist here, but the result is the part that matters.

[MiroTheHero]

High School Teacher - "Your habits in high school won't slide in university, it's a different animal."
University Professor: "Here's some playdough"

[janpokrzywinski]

I think with a lot of these youtubers, what is "exceptional" is their video production quality. Kind of like how do you make a fancy dinner, ingredients are the same but sprinkle some garnish on top and arrange it nicely on a plate and suddenly you can charge 3x the price for CRB.

[REVIVALFitness]

“Athlean X and Jeremy Ethier look like distance runners who do some bicep curls” 🔥🔥🔥

[swandaley]

I love this video. Being a guy who works in marketing, I see through the science-based messaging. Sure, many bodybuilders from the 70s and what not have great genetics, but a lot of the techniques they used were effective. One thing I’ve noticed with a Jeremy Ethier is that he often misreads studies and ignore basic principles. This is especially true when he said you should backload protein before bed. He ignored the fact the fact that protein has a high thermic effect of food and that it can impact sleep.

[Jmack]

I will say in Jeff nippards defense he used to be a high level tested powerlifter, and is a pro tested bodybuilder I do believe as well

[sjb]

"Formal academic research is not the cutting edge of strength training." So true. Experience speaks loudly in this field.

[bruceyako]

Performance physcology is very interesting. Did you know that nor-adrenaline, when it get's to a threshold level in our brain actually forces us to QUIT! it litterally switches off motor control so we can't keep running for example. Dopamine help tamp down nor-adrenaline so we can push through the performance. The best atheltes know how to release dopamine during thier performance to stop nor-adrenaline from forcing them to quit.

[martin]

Wish I had known about you years ago. Amazing stuff. I have combined the 70s powerlifter and bullmastiff programs from your book. One cycle through in base phase and I love it. Love the freedom of the auto regulation in the bullmastiff program and the just brutal work of the 70s program. Thank you for everything.

[suhailagha]

This is the new fitness YouTube. Channels shitting on each other in an bid to outperform the algorithm.

[fancyhitchpin]

Looking forward to the deep dive and subsequent disillusionment with Cavaliere.