Can Ellen White's Writings Be Trusted?

In this episode of Berean Talk we examined whether Ellen White's writings have been changed contrary to God's will.

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[edmondclement]

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Well articulated. Thanks so much for sharing beloved brethrens brother Vasko and Jason. Always praying for y'all family for eternity at SDP. Following from Uganda 🇺🇬.

[ADVENTFRAUDSQUAD]

Sideline question: Why did Ellen write 100, 000 pages of anything? (according to her estate) The word of God is about 1, 200 pages. Who knew... that it was insufficient?

2 Timothy 3:16-17
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16 All Scripture is God-breathed [given by divine inspiration] and is profitable for instruction, for conviction [of sin], for correction [of error and restoration to obedience], for training in righteousness [learning to live in conformity to God’s will, both publicly and privately—behaving honorably with personal integrity and moral courage]; 17 so that the [a]man of God may be complete and proficient, outfitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work.

[whatistruth]

Why does it say in the 1911 Great Controversy on page 445 in the chapter God's Law Immutable paragraph 2 that "The "mark of the beast" still remains to be defined." ??? Compare this to the original testimony of Jesus in Spirit of Prophecy vol. 4, 1884 edition, page 281 in the chapter called The Third Angel's Message. "The change in the fourth commandment is the change pointed out in the prophecy, and the keeping of the counterfeit Sabbath is the reception of the mark. But Christians of past generations observed the first day, supposing that they were keeping the Bible Sabbath, and there are in the churches of to-day many who honestly believe that Sunday is the Sabbath of divine appointment. None of these have received the mark of the beast. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. The test upon this question does not come until Sunday observance is enforced by law, and the world is enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath. Not until the issue is thus plainly set before the people, and they are brought to choose between the commandments of God and the commandments of men, will those who continue in transgression receive the mark of the beast." And why was the title of the chapter changed from The Third Angel's Message to God's Law Immutable? Does this make sense to anyone whose eyes are opened and who are not one of the blind being lead by the blind?

[CorJenFarm]

Great presentation. People need to understand thought inspiration vs word inspiration.

[gregorysteeves]

The year for day principle belief is unbiblical

[romulosumalnap]

Good research! Very helpful! Can you also do a presentation about her as a plagiarist? A lot of people are a bit discouraged by this, especially one done by walter rea.

[mike-alg]

Thank you for your research on this matter as I was unsure of the 1911 GC.

[terry]

First of all, the "1911 Great Controversy" has errors which do not line up with the KJV.
And secondly, all anyone has to do, is compare the chapter called "Modern Revivals" in both the 1884 and the 1911, Great Controversy versions, and will know a true prophet of God does not flip flop like these different versions do. One who sits on the fence on these issues has no excuses. How many so called believers will risk losing out on paradise, because the original wording was not to their liking?

[whatistruth]

I ask everyone listening to this program to take a candid look at the 1911 GC and compare it with the 1884. Many vital truths have been extracted. The candid mind will ask - "Why did they take that out?" When Ellen White was in vision it was if she was there. If she saw something in the past, she was there. If she saw something in the future, she was there. In the chapter Destruction of Jerusalem she is there in vision. She is seeing in present tense. But not so in the 1911. It is only a historical account. This is one way of making of none effect the SOP. They are making Ellen White a historian and not a seer.  

I believe we have an incorrect understanding of the word "error." 1828 Webster's dictionary defines it this way: ER'ROR, noun [Latin error from erro, to wander.] A wandering or deviation from the truth; a mistake in judgment, by which men assent to or believe what is not true. error may be voluntary, or involuntary. Voluntary, when men neglect or pervert the proper means to inform the mind; involuntary, when the means of judging correctly are not in their power. An error committed through carelessness or haste is a blunder.

So to intentionally neglect or pervert the proper means to inform the mind is ERROR. It is intentional with an agenda.  

Why did they take out of the 1884 vol 4 GC this most vital truth? From pages 185-187 we read, "....The infinite God, whose throne is in the heavens, condescends to address his people, “Come now, and let us reason together;” [Isaiah 1:18.] but frail, erring men proudly refuse to reason with their brethren. They stand ready to censure one who accepts any light which they have not received—as though God had pledged himself to give no more light to any one than he had given to them. This is the course pursued by opposers of the truth in every age. They forget the declaration of the Scriptures, “Light is sown for the righteous.” [Psalm 97:11.] “The path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.” [Proverbs 4:18.] It is a sad thing when a people claiming to be reformers cease to reform. {4SP 185.2}
If professed Christians would but carefully and prayerfully compare their views with the Scriptures, laying aside all pride of opinion and desire for the supremacy, a flood of light would be shed upon the churches now wandering in the darkness of error. As fast as his people can bear it, the Lord reveals to them their errors in doctrine and their defects of character. From age to age he has raised up men and qualified them to do a special work needed in their time. But to none of these did he commit all the light which was to be given to the world. Wisdom does not die with them. It was not the will of God that the work of reform should cease with the going out of Luther’s life; it was not his will that at the death of the Wesleys the Christian faith should become stereotyped. The work of reform is progressive. Go forward, is the command of our great Leader, —forward unto victory. {4SP 186.1}
We shall not be accepted and honored of God in doing the same work that our fathers did. We do not occupy the position which they occupied in the unfolding of truth. In order to be accepted and honored as they were, we must improve the light which shines upon us, as they improved that which shone upon them; we must do as they would have done, had they lived in our day. Luther and the Wesleys were reformers in their time. It is our duty to continue the work of reform. If we neglect to heed the light, it will become darkness; and the degree of darkness will be proportionate to the light rejected. {4SP 186.2}
The prophet of God declares that in the last days knowledge shall be increased. There are new truths to be revealed to the humble seeker. The teachings of God’s word are to be freed from the errors and superstition with which they have been encumbered. Doctrines that are not sanctioned by the Scriptures have been widely taught, and many have honestly accepted them; but when the truth is revealed, it becomes the duty of every one to accept it. Those who allow worldly interests, desire for popularity, or pride of opinion, to separate them from the truth, must render an account to God for their neglect. {4SP 186.3}

Why was all of this extracted? And why were the first four pages of Snares of Satan removed in the 1911 version? Wouldn't it be vital for God's people to know what Satan's snares are for us?

There are so many more examples. In the above quote it says, "...but when the truth is revealed, it becomes the duty of every one to accept it." The truth is is that the 1884 is the book Ellen G White said should go everywhere because it contains the truth - not the 1911for it is not the testimony of Jesus. It is a man-made book, W.W. Prescott being a major contributor to all the historical facts. Read the 1884 and see if you are not inspired and your heart burns within you. The 1911 does not have that effect because it's not inspired. I pray people will wake up and realize they have been deceived and do their homework and compare these books. It is your duty to do so. God will hold you accountable for your neglect to do so.

I will be glad to share clear evidence that it is the 1884 volume 4 Great Controversy that Ellen White said should go everywhere, not the 1911. Please message me and I will be glad to get the information to you.

[kevinmorgan_truth]

One issue about the Koran that is often overlooked: it was gathered over time in pieces and was corrected from its earlier forms, only later being codified. Most Muslims are unaware of this history and perhaps would be angry to hear this.

[swiftwitnessministries]

Leroy Froom was instrumental in changing EG White's work
The book evangelism should never be used
Froom also changed Uriah Smith's Daniel and Revelation book.

[williamtolbert]

Brothers thank you for the fine research on Sister White and Spirit of Prophecy. The People who cast doubt on the Writings of Sister White, are usually the Tares of the Church who want to go down the yellow Brick Road with the crowd who has never been saved or are not truly Seventh Day Adventist at heart. They have never made the message of Sister White their own. to be called of God to be a Seventh Day Adventist is something very special in my opinion. This last move of God is not for everyone. He alone knows who are truly of his last day church. I 'm Glade God Called me to be of the Chosen. And will not change. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY DOCTRINE AT ALL. IT FOUNDATION IS PAGAN, OR SOME OF THE OTHER TEACHINGS THAT CAME FROM ROME THAT THE REFORMERS FORGOT TO TOSS TO THE SIDE AND OTHER CHURCHES ARE STILL USING TODAY. Sister White and the Early Pioneers have it right. It is WE who have allowed the wolves to become head of the Flock and teach Roman false Doctrine. NOT SISTER WHITE OR THE EARLY PIONEERS. SO WE ARE REAPING WHAT WE AS THE LAST DAY MOVEMENT OF GOD HAS SOWN. TAKE IT TO THE STREETS.

[johnpaulmorris]

Paul did the very same thing with the epistle of Romans, where Paul sends Romans version 1, and after a few years he resent the same letter as Romans version 2 with just a few changes, not many, just a few.. I think the last version was version 3. I think the book of Revelation had as many as 12 revisions. Of course, the apostle John knew about those changes. The changes were not done behind his back. So I do not see the problem with rewriting or 'revising' EGW writings, I mean, if they were inspired, they certainly need a revision and that's why our confidence in her writings is so high...

[JillRichardsTheGirlGeek]

They fixed the Desire of Ages good, didn't they. Now we can believe in the Trinity Doctrine with no problem. See how that works. The "3 persons"? So what was wrong with the 1884 version? Was she wrong then & right later? Or was she right then & wrong later? The video was confusing, I can't figure out what you're saying? Was Ellen White right then and now the church is wrong? Or vice versa? I was waiting for the answer? So was Leroy From correct?

[whatistruth]

What does it really mean to make the Spirit of Prophecy of none effect? Compare these two reference. The first one is from Spiritual Gifts volume 1 pages 211-212 in the chapter The Earth Desolated. It says, "I then beheld the earth. The wicked were dead, and their bodies were lying upon the face of the earth. The inhabitants of earth had suffered the wrath of God in the seven last plagues. They had gnawed their tongues for pain and had cursed God. The false shepherds were signal objects of Jehovah’s wrath. Their eyes had consumed away in their holes, and their tongues in their mouths, while they stood upon their feet. After the saints were delivered by the voice of God, the rage of the wicked multitude was turned upon each other. The earth seemed to be deluged with blood, and dead bodies were from one end of the earth to the other. {1SG 211.1}

"The earth was in a most desolate condition. Cities and villages, shaken down by the earthquake, lay in heaps. Mountains were moved out of their places, leaving large caverns. The sea had thrown out ragged rocks upon the earth, and rocks had been torn out of the earth, and were scattered all over its surface. The earth looked like a desolate wilderness. Large trees were rooted up, and were strewn over the land. Here is Satan’s home, with his evil angels, through the 1000 years. Here they will be confined, and wander up and down over the broken surface of the earth, and see the effects of his rebellion against God’s law. The effects of the curse which he has caused, he can enjoy through the 1000 years. Limited alone to the earth, he will have no privilege of ranging around to other planets, to tempt and annoy those who have not fallen. Satan suffers in this time extremely. Since his fall his evil traits have been in constant exercise. He is then deprived of his power, and left to reflect upon the part he has acted since his fall, and to look forward with trembling and terror to the dreadful future, when he must suffer for all the evil he has done, and be punished for all the sins he has caused to be committed. {1SG 211.2}

"Then I heard shouts of triumph from the angels, and from the redeemed saints, which sounded like ten thousand musical instruments, because they were to be no more annoyed and tempted by the Devil, and the inhabitants of other worlds were delivered from his presence and his temptations." {1SG 212.1} 

The second reference is in Early Writings:  

"My attention was again directed to the earth. The wicked had been destroyed, and their dead bodies were lying upon its surface. The wrath of God in the seven last plagues had been visited upon the inhabitants of the earth, causing them to gnaw their tongues from pain and to curse God. The false shepherds had been the signal objects of Jehovah’s wrath. Their eyes had consumed away in their holes, and their tongues in their mouths, while they stood upon their feet. After the saints had been delivered by the voice of God, the wicked multitude turned their rage upon one another. The earth seemed to be deluged with blood, and dead bodies were from one end of it to the other." {EW 289.3}

"The earth looked like a desolate wilderness. Cities and villages, shaken down by the earthquake, lay in heaps. Mountains had been moved out of their places, leaving large caverns. Ragged rocks, thrown out by the sea, or torn out of the earth itself, were scattered all over its surface. Large trees had been uprooted and were strewn over the land. Here is to be the home of Satan with his evil angels for a thousand years. Here he will be confined, to wander up and down over the broken surface of the earth and see the effects of his rebellion against God's law. For a thousand years he can enjoy the fruit of the curse which he has caused. Limited alone to the earth, he will not have the privilege of ranging to other planets, to tempt and annoy those who have not fallen. During this time, Satan suffers extremely. Since his fall his evil traits have been in constant exercise. But he is then to be deprived of his power, and left to reflect upon the part which he has acted since his fall, and to look forward with trembling and terror to the dreadful future, when he must suffer for all the evil that he has done and be punished for all the sins that he has caused to be committed." {Early Writings, p. 290}



"I heard shouts of triumph from the angels and from the redeemed satins, which sounded like ten thousand musical instruments, because they were to be no more annoyed and tempted by Satan, and because the inhabitants of other worlds were delivered from his presence and his temptations." pg 290

Do you notice what is going on here? In the Spiritual Gifts reference she was actually there. She saw it present tense. She is a seer in this account. In the Early Writings account she is no longer a seer. She wasn't there in vision but was just giving an historical account. The Spirit of Prophesy is the testimony of Jesus. The edited version is no longer the testimony of Jesus but the account of a man who changed the book! Do you see the significance of all of this? I pray you do. This is what is making the SOP of none effect - it's no longer the testimony of Jesus. 😔😯


One more comparison: In the same chapter The Earth Desolated last paragraph in the Early Writings account it says this: “After the judgment of the wicked HAD BEEN finished... She’s not there.

SG says, “After the judgment of the wicked dead WAS finished...” She’s there.

[whatistruth]

"The scribes of God wrote as they were DICTATED by the Holy Spirit, having no control over the work themselves." RH Vol 1, 1880, pg. 216. This directly contradicts what brother Jason said at the 20 minute mark.

2 Tim. 3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

The Greek word for "inspiration" is the word - θεόπνευστος - theh-op'-nyoo-stos - It means, "divinely breathed in" Strong's G2315. The Holy Spirit spoke by the MOUTHS of the prophets and apostles, and actually put God's word into their mouths. This is what "inspiration" means - "divinely breathed in."

2 Peter 1:21; Jeremiah 1:9; Acts 1:16; 1 Cor. 2:13;

In Jeremiah it says "Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth."

Acts says, "which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David SPAKE"

[jancathey]

As a good student, we looked up the quotes presented in your video. Unfortunately, if you keep reading to paragraph 10 from the quote you presented from 22LTMS, LT 371, 1907, par 3, there is a problem with the dates.

“For eleven years Miss Maggie Hare was among my workers. She was a faithful and true helper. She returned to New Zealand. She again connected with the work in 1911.”
22LtMs, Lt 371, 1907, par. 10

In this paragraph, it refers to work being done in 1911, but the date this letter was written is 1907. This unsettles me because I truly believe Ellen White is a prophet.

[fredsimmons]

The testimony is not the strict domain of EGW or the SDA church, it is God's testimony and the Church which has been a remnant since the beginning This testimony has always been in the church!I think words do lead to thoughts also!EG White when writing about a angel refered to the angel as "she".! This is in the testimonys during the civil war era!

[whatistruth]

I believe you are taking the quote from Review & Herald Oct 8, 1897 out of context. It was a question and answer format on the length of a woman's dress. Context is everything. The way you have presented this is very misleading. See paragraph 9

Question Number Two
Does not the practice of the sisters in wearing their dresses nine inches from the floor contradict Testimony No. 11, which says they should reach somewhat below the top of a lady’s gaiter boot? Does it not also contradict Testimony No. 10, which says they should clear the filth of the street an inch or two without being raised by the hand? {RH October 8, 1867, par. 4}
Answer
The proper distance from the bottom of the dress to the floor was not given to me in inches. Neither was I shown ladies’ gaiter boots; but three companies of females passed before me, with their dresses as follows with respect to length: {RH October 8, 1867, par. 5}
The first were of fashionable length, burdening the limbs, impeding the step, and sweeping the street and gathering its filth; the evil results of which I have fully stated. This class, who were slaves to fashion, appeared feeble and languid. {RH October 8, 1867, par. 6}
The dress of the second class which passed before me was in many respects as it should be. The limbs were well clad. They were free from the burdens which the tyrant, Fashion, had imposed upon the first class; but had gone to that extreme in the short dress as to disgust and prejudice good people, and destroy in a great measure their own influence. This is the style and influence of the “American Costume, ” taught and worn by many at “Our Home, ” Dansville N. Y. It does not reach to the knee. I need not say that this style of dress was shown me to be too short. {RH October 8, 1867, par. 7}
A third class passed before me with cheerful countenances, and free, elastic step. Their dress was the length I have described as proper, modest and healthful. It cleared the filth of the street and side-walk a few inches under all circumstances, such as ascending and descending steps, &c. {RH October 8, 1867, par. 8}
As I have before stated, the length was not given me in inches, and I was not shown a lady’s boot. And here I would state that although I am as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in writing my views as I am in receiving them, yet the words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own, unless they be those spoken to me by an angel, which I always enclose in marks of quotation. As I wrote upon the subject of dress the view of those three companies revived in my mind as plain as when I was viewing them in vision; but I was left to describe the length of the proper dress in my own language the best I could, which I have done by stating that the bottom of the dress should reach near the top of a lady’s boot, which would be necessary in order to clear the filth of the streets under the circumstances before named. {RH October 8, 1867, par. 9}

[chrischung]

Many non trinitarian leaders reject the following statement as uninspired:

“You are born unto God, and you stand under the sanction and the power of the THREE HOLIEST BEINGS in heaven, who are able to keep you from falling.” 7MR 267.2