Narcissistic Self-Negativity vs Depression | ELSA RONNINGSTAM

Self-negativity in pathological narcissism (or NPD) can be labeled as, or feel like, depression -- but is actually something else.

Differentiating between Major Depressive Disorder (which can be treated with meds) and narcissistic self-negativity (which can't) can be difficult, but is necessary if a person is to receive effective treatment.

Dr. Ronningstam's bio:

"Elsa Ronningstam, PhD, is a clinical psychologist in the Gunderson Outpatient Program and the Adult Outpatient Services at McLean Hospital, and an associate professor of psychology in the Department of Psychiatry (part-time) at Harvard Medical School. She is also a psychoanalyst, a member of the American Psychoanalytic Association, and a faculty of the Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute. As a longstanding member of the Boston Suicide Study Group, Dr. Ronningstam is also actively working on identifying, understanding, and treating suicide.

Dr. Ronningstam’s prime specialty is diagnosis and treatment of narcissistic personality. Over the past 30 years, she has authored over 100 publications and given over 150 presentations, lectures, and courses, both nationally and internationally. She was the recipient of a 2014 prize for outstanding service in McLean’s borderline personality disorder programs."

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[MrNoopNoop]

Amazing content. Her last sentence was quite insightful for me: Life events, disappointments, and losses (making one un-special) being integrated by looking at the self in overly negative terms. If one cannot be seen as special in the positive sense, then a sense of specialness will be preserved, by being overly negative, and blaming the loss on that. Brilliant self-deception at play here.

[erich]

This was a good one! Thank you for the well-packaged knowledge. I really liked the pacing of this one - easy to digest. I really feel like I comprehended everything!

[boudicca]

I like this Dr. : she has great knowledge and insight.

[alizaofbrooklyn]

Always a holiday when you publish new content 🎉🎉🎉This doctor has an intense presence. Amazing. I hope we get to see more of this interview.

[anthrax]

Any demasking is followed by a deep seeded regret that could only be described as a metaphorical shotgun in the mouth, it’s no wonder the rate of mass casualty violence given these troubled souls with no real source of treatment ever available.

[somegirlontheinternet]

Interesting. This is similar to depression vs. depression in another personality disorder like BPD.

[bigaddo]

I am like this. I slip in and out of it being really bad but I definitely do the planned negativity. I want to stop it. I have to stop it. How can I change?

[SuperReeanna]

What about when the negitive thought patterns are directed at other people?
I can't do that, becomes you must have done that or a miriad of other excuses.
Denial and depression may look and sound like narsisistic behaviour.
So a mildly depressed narc could sound like someone who is genuinely trying to deny there depression.... how than, could you define one from the other?

[christopherleubner]

Actually depressed- events or biochemistry cause a situation that results in a feeling of anger turned inward and hoplessness. Narcissistic pseudodepression- an act where the goal is manipulation. As deperssed, it's pointless why bother, why try, why why why. NPD this horrible thing happened. Life is so unfar to ME im entitled to... .

[harpert]

She lost me when she said depressed people do respond to ECT.