Kang 'We Just Crossed The Threshold' - He Who Remains Scene - Loki (TV Series 2021)

Kang the Conqueror/He Who Remains/Nathaniel Richards (Jonathan Majors) learns they crossed the threshold - Loki (TV Series 2021) Season 1 Episode 6 | Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023)

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[psychomammoth]

Love how Loki is perplexed at first, then slowly growing into fear. Realizing what was going to happen.

[DarkTider]

The sheer glee on Langs face at, for ONCE being in uncharted waters!
You really get the feeling he had seen it all, and being given the chance to see something new happen is like Christmas for him.

[deveshbhambhani]

What I love from this scene, from the point where they met Kang to the end of the episode, is that there is an eerie horror music playing in the background which makes the scene so much intense. Props to the composer 👏

[katsasgeorge]

I've seen so many people get it wrong about HWR and it's just so fascinating because the scene is played like you're SUPPOSED to guess different things about the same person, what with all the variants and such.

It wasn't the events of any movies that allowed the Multiverse to happen. The beginning wasn't when Spidey's enemies crossed universes, or when Wanda dreamwalks or when Loki got the tesseract and escaped in Endgame.

No, THIS is what allowed all of these things to happen. HWR was the failsafe, by killing him, you allow branches to exist. Hence NWH, MoM, What If, etc.

[jackhanver]

I love how he say "Reincarnation...baby"

[TheMerchan]

0:01-0:10 Wanda becoming the Scarlet Witch.
0:30 Doctor Strange first spell in NWH.
0:56 Doctor Strange second spell in NWH.

[rjstudios]

‘The threshold’ was Dr strange breaking open the multiverse in Spider-Man NWH

The scene where they cross the threshold is perfectly in sync with the multiverse breaking spell in NWH

1:11 There are also 6 branches in the timeline. 6 villains appear in NWH

[lamario]

I'm really looking forward to Sylvie realizing she's seriously fucked up and brought about aomething worse then she could've imagined

[MyVin]

The threshold was just the end of time as HWR knew up until. That's why he picked up that little blob/ball and dropped it. He wasn't even sure if gravity was still working. He was completely in the dark now.

[WolfHembrick]

2:01 what he means by this is...the end of All Of This will lead to him being "reincarnated" by either Loki/s or the heros to fix what happened in repsonse to him being killed. In the end, its a lesson to teach the universe why he's necessary.

[rocknorris]

This scene confuses a lot, but let’s put it like this: once Sylvie decides that He Who Remains must die, with unwavering conviction, it’s an act of free will that Kang didn’t foresee, and it begins to break down the cohesiveness of the timeline. The “threshold” he speaks of is like how The Ancient One in Dr Strange couldn’t see past their own death. Once his death was certain, he was suddenly blessed with NOT seeing every possible outcome. Not even a falling object lands and bounces in a predictable fashion to him anymore. So an act of unadelturated free will that runs counter to every possible scenario he foresees will actually break the timeline. That’s gonna come in handy down the road.

[sattobong]

Who is here after loki season 2 episode 6

[crose]

I just realized something…she could have looked into his mind to see his past.

[netanmaldoran]

Well now we know what me meant about 'reincarnation'.

[magicshawnson]

Entering the threshold Definitely is when kang enters the multiversal engine and becomes beyonder

[dcclips_]

When they crossed the threshold it sounded like Godzilla charging up in the background music 🤣

[ematuskey]

Poor Sylvie: her whole life has led to this moment, and she cannot--/cannot/--see any other outcome but to follow through on her plan. Loki's new to the game, so he has the benefit of not being so inflexible in his thinking--which is also why he loses: he never stands a chance against someone so firm in their convictions, when he is constantly assailed by doubt.

[_jayb]

To me, every timeline/branch has its own self-contained chronology of time (so in the case of Loki, there’s “Sacred Timeline time”, but in a multiverse every timeline would have its own “time”) and there’s “TVA time”. TVA time is the linear chronology in which the TVA and Kang's mansion operates. Every time a time traveler in “timeline time” does time travel, they create a new timeline/branch and thus create new time. The TVA can pinpoint the creation of that new branch to a specific point on TVA time. However, what’s interesting is that variants traveling through the Sacred Timeline (like we see Sylvie and Loki do) work parallel to (and essentially on) TVA time. This is how the TVA is shown to be “hunting” Sylvie through the Sacred Timeline, because Sylvie’s branches don’t just show up at random points in TVA time, but they show up next to each other in bunches; the chronological order in which Sylvie creates branches is in the same chronological order as the TVA hunting her. Essentially, if Sylvie created a new branch 10 minutes from her last one, then the new branch would also show up in the TVA 10 minutes from the other, so we can basically say that she is on TVA time even if other predetermined events in timeline time still occur in the branch. This might be a variant's "time signature, " as is shown in the Loki show.

While Mobius says that time works differently in the TVA, it really doesn’t. TVA time is just a completely separate chronology from timeline time. The TVA is only omnipresent relative to the Sacred Timeline because at any given point in TVA time, the TVA can go to any given point in timeline time. This idea also works vice-versa. At any given point in timeline time (if you could go to the TVA without causing a branch), you could go to any given point in TVA time. This is how, as Kang showed, every action that Loki and Sylvie took to get to the Threshold, even though they were variants going through the Sacred Timeline and thus ON TVA TIME, was still predetermined and “scripted” by Kang; the TVA works with just the same linear rules as the Sacred Timeline. As such, the TVA has just as little free will as the Sacred Timeline because TVA time still functions as a chronology.

A second point to consider is that the existence of an MCU multiverse requires the TVA to have been nonexistent in TVA time at least once, allowing for a variant to travel through the Sacred Timeline uninterrupted. But since every point in TVA time is happening at every point in timeline time, this would create a quantum superposition. Relative to timeline time, the TVA as an organization is a Schrodinger’s cat of existing and not existing, because the TVA's destruction happens at a set time in the chronology of TVA time but not at a set time in timeline time. To rephrase, the Threshold is happening at any given point in timeline time as well as not happening at any given point in timeline time. So, at any given point in timeline time, the TVA both exists and doesn’t exist, and so at any given point in timeline time both the multiverse (multiple branches/timelines) and the Sacred Timeline (only one branch/timeline) exist. For example, a Doctor Strange may travel through time and either go through the multiverse or be arrested by the TVA.

This means that the fact of the existence of MCU multiverse movies proves that the destruction of the TVA is inevitable at some point in TVA time. To put this into perspective, if variant Loki stole the Tesseract AFTER the destruction of the TVA, he would have been free. But since variant Loki stole the Tesseract BEFORE the destruction of the TVA, he was arrested.

Kang knows that he needs to retire, so he specifically scripted TVA time so that Loki and Sylvie would be given the option to take his place. This is the Threshold: the moment Kang allows Loki and Sylvie to decide for themselves whether to maintain the TVA and keep the Sacred Timeline or cause multiversal chaos. The Threshold is the moment Kang relinquishes control of fate to Loki and Sylvie, and Sylvie chooses to kill Kang. The Threshold is the catalyst for the inevitable destruction of the TVA and the creation of the multiverse. Every MCU movie which includes a multiverse happens, in TVA time, after the Threshold.

A few questions arise. Technically, the fact that the Threshold, which decides the outcome of a multiverse or Sacred Timeline, involves free will, means that there could be a multiverse of possibilities involving the fate of the multiverse. Assuming it makes sense, however, in Kang's original timeline, there used to be no TVA in TVA time, and that resulted in the creation of a multiverse and subsequent Multiversal War. Kang then destroys every single branch and then establishes the Sacred Timeline and the TVA to make sure the Sacred Timeline is not disturbed. Now, in TVA time, that the TVA is gone and the multiverse is unleashed again. What if someone went back in time in the TVA, and a branch was created in TVA time? Could Loki go back in time, in TVA time, to the Threshold, and create a timeline where the multiverse isn't created? Would that create the TVA and Sacred Timeline again? If Kang was right about another variant of himself always replacing him, is it even possible for either a multiverse or Sacred Timeline to ever solely exist in TVA time? Will there be an infinite amount of Thresholds?

That would be a poignant message. The human nature of war and apathy and destruction results in constant entropy in TVA time even when everything in timeline time is predestined. As a result, trillions of people in the various branches and Multiversal Wars will constantly and infinitely die. This following bit is a theory, but it would be interesting if Marvel played into this pessimistic, nihilistic view: you can see that, immediately after the Threshold is crossed, even before Sylvie kills Kang, the Sacred Timeline branches. Ironically, even during the Threshold, this moment of free will, Kang's fate was immediately sealed, no matter what he would do. It could either be that Sylvie was extremely sure she was going to kill Kang, so much that there is no possible outcome in which she doesn't, or some entity higher than Kang scripted it so that Sylvie would do so.

[Michael-uhzy]

The Scarlet Witch has been released lol

[MAX-cgmp]

After watching ant man 3, I guess those who are truly responsible for the multiverse is the 3 Kangs at the end. Because when immortus said the avengers will take ‘everything we built’, he was looking at the multiverse, admitting that he started the second multiversal war, creating the army of kangs