TR&CI 86: How To Handle Multiple State-Based Actions At Once & How They Impact Triggered Abilities

In this episode of Tough Rules & Cool Interactions, I will be talking about SBAs which has been covered on this channel a few times now but this time I will be covering what to do when multiple SBAs apply themselves at the same time and how things like Triggered Abilities 'see' them affecting the game.

Intro 0:00
Drana and Linvala 0:39
What Do They Shut Off 2:13
Foretell 2:27
Ninjutsu 3:15
Spirit Guides 5:38
Final Question 6:07
Conclusion 7:18

Rules covered in this episode are:
704.5f
704.5q
704.8
122.1c

Music used in this video:
"Sunset Arthur" by Michael Wyckoff

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[heitortremor]

That is wild. I genuinely had state based actions wrong in my head. Very thankful for these vids

[danielzamboni]

The shield counter will change only the amount of kithkin summoned when the creature died, from 5 to 6, it doesn't prevent the creature from dying of -1/-1 counters therefore the sba will remember it when checking.

[gregboulton]

brilliant episode. I had no idea this is how state based actions worked.

[josephg]

This was a good one. I finally got one wrong

[iambensummers]

I think the important takeaway here is that the interaction between +1/+1 and -1/-1 is that it is checked as a SBA, and is not a replacement effect. Of course, "last known information" is always an important reminder, too

[dylanmoore]

I think there was a slight error. If the borderguard is a 4/4 with Mikaeus in play, and BSZ resolves, the Borderguard will have two +1/+1 counters and +1/+1 from Mikaeus (notably not a counter) and four -1/-1 counters, thus creating 6 tokens.

Regardless, I really enjoyed this video! I learned something new, in CR 704.8, which is always good. Now I'm wondering if I have been playing some events wrong for years. Let's say I have a Bloated Processor in play with two +1/+1 counters. I used to believe if it had 0 power (and toughness) from Toxic Deluge it would Incubate 0. Now I understand that with BSZ killing the Bloated Processor it would cancel the +1/+1 counters and Die from having 0 toughness simultaneously.

Does a Bloated Processor with two +1/+1 counters incubate 0 or 5 when it dies to Toxic Deluge? Is that the same scenario as dying to BSZ?

[craig]

Well dang, that's pretty dang interesting. I know I've played that wrong in the past.

[EpicWin]

Answer to the final question: SBA's are checked and the shield prevents the creature from being destroyed, but not from dying. This is similar to indestructible. Then the Bordergaurd's ability triggers seeing 6 counters on it, making six tokens.

[tamyond.lawrence]

This may be off topic but i was curious. Would cultivator collosus+ golgari rot farm work? For instance i play cultivator play rot farm and draw would i be able to bounce rot farm back to my hand and repeatedly play it until i played all my lands?