Does God Send People to Hell? Michael Jones vs Alex O'Connor

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Michael Jones is the founder and director of the Christian YouTube channel "Inspiring Philosophy". He has previously debated Alex twice.

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0:00 Intro
1:02 What is the Christian doctrine of Hell?
8:20 Can someone deserve to go to Hell?
30:02 Do people send themselves to Hell?
48:37 Are sinners like drug addicts?
57:25 Should Jesus be in Hell?
1:05:42 Michael's future doctorate on the Trinity
1:09:00 Outro

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[alz]

I thoroughly enjoy the dynamic that these two have in these conversations. As a Christian, I've always admired Alex a great deal in that he's unwavering in his criticisms and observations of Christianity and theism, but that he truly listens to the other side of the conversation and is never interested in misrepresenting anything.

[samfelton]

Alex you are KILLING it with these guests. Love the people you’re bringing on, keep it up!

[jjjccc]

This is a summary of the points made by each participant and their evaluation:

- Michael Jones:
- He argues that God does not send people to hell, but people choose to go there by rejecting God's love and grace¹.
- He defines hell as a state of separation from God, not a place of literal fire and torture¹.
- He claims that God is just and merciful, and that he desires the salvation of all people, but he respects their free will¹.
- He supports a Christian and biblical approach to understanding and explaining the doctrine of hell¹.
- He criticizes Alex O'Connor's atheism, his misunderstanding of Christianity, and his use of emotional and moral arguments¹.
- **Evaluation**: Jones presents a coherent and plausible account of his position, and defends it with theological and philosophical arguments. He also challenges O'Connor's position with relevant objections and counterexamples. However, he may be accused of being inconsistent or arbitrary in his interpretation of the Bible, and of ignoring some of the problems and paradoxes of the doctrine of hell.

- Alex O'Connor:
- He argues that God does send people to hell, and that this is incompatible with his justice and mercy².
- He defines hell as a place of eternal punishment and suffering, as described in the Bible and the Christian tradition².
- He claims that God is unjust and cruel, and that he condemns people to hell for arbitrary and unfair reasons, such as their beliefs or lack thereof².
- He supports an atheistic and rational approach to understanding and explaining the natural world².
- He criticizes Michael Jones's theism, his misunderstanding of atheism, and his use of circular and fallacious arguments².
- **Evaluation**: O'Connor presents a clear and challenging account of his position, and defends it with logical and factual arguments. He also challenges Jones's position with relevant objections and counterexamples. However, he may be accused of being too simplistic or biased in his representation of Christianity, and of dismissing some of the possible evidence and arguments for theism.

[manmanderson]

Then they did the fusion dance and became Alex Jones

[darrellanderson]

These guys can think and articulate very quickly. It must be a gift.

[tommyhearns]

I’ve never understood why the devil would punish me for disobeying the same god he did

[davidrogers]

I'd never dreamt of such a mutually respectful debate. Well done you two!

[chrisalanrus]

The nature of this debate was so civil. Thank you for the opportunity to hear complex, thought out arguments instead of tactics and sarcasm. I love IPs channel and it was very cool to hear someone else’s thought process as well.

[Soshig]

As a Christian, this is a rather interesting topic. Good to know both sides of the aisle continue to have young minds who are open to listening and understanding perspectives from both sides.

[georgehugo]

This is like a breath of fresh air. Thank you both for speaking carefully and kindly and for truly trying to listen and respond thoughtfully. I recently watched a so called debate between an atheistic and Christian scientist that ended up as shouting and slurring match. It thoroughly upset me.

[claudio-]

I am a Christian, and I enjoy listening to Alex O'Connor. A very intelligent and resoanble atheirst. I have been listening to Michael Jones for about a year now, and I really enjoy him a lot. As a believer, I learn tons from him! Good job both!

[ChadTurnUp]

I just found Michael’s page maybe a month or so ago. This is a conversation I really wanted to happen. Thanks to you both!!

[toath]

I've loved both of these channels for a long time and I'm really happy to see this conversation
It almost feels like every guest you get is one I needed more than the last!

[Wackaz]

Wow, I never thought I'd see this debate in my life. As an InspiringPhilosophy watcher but also a CosmicSkeptic watcher due to his vegan content (as a vegan myself), this is awesome to see, and a pleasant surprise indeed provided it is a problem I have always had as a Christian - the doctrine and subsequent justfiication of Eternal Hell. I simply cannot believe an omnibenevolent God would allow us to experience eternal suffering, even if we choose it, so hopefully this debate enlightens me to some degree. Thanks guys!

[shadamyandsonamylover]

I have never heard of the idea that hell was temporary. As a Catholic, the whole “refinement for heaven” seemed a lot more like purgatory than hell doctrine.

I’m not a Catholic anymore, but I really liked this argument for Christianity (and hell) presented here. I consider myself agnostic and (through absolutely nothing but wishful thinking) would like to believe that the afterlife is just a place where everyone becomes their best selves automatically. This depiction of hell seems much more in line with that thinking and I very much appreciated it.

[Practical.Wisdom]

This is such an excellent conversation! Thanks very much, Alex.

[teravega]

Really happy Alex brought Michael on. This was a great conversation and was interesting to see both sides on this topic.

[DH-rscq]

I'm a big fan of Mike's channel, and I appreciate your interview, the way you compose yourself and keep it fair and well intentioned.

[landonnnlandonnn]

so pleasant and informative to watch, i genuinely don’t know if ive ever seen a discussion/debate about this kind of topic without anyone interrupting each other

[danielyates]

I never understood why an all-knowing being would create me, knowing I'd sin, only to then punish me for eternity. Sounds cruel