Are Sedevacantists Even Catholic? w/ Jimmy Akin

Jimmy Akin talks about Benevacantism and Sedevacantism. What is schism? Why do people believe these things? What is the problem with them?



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[Maya-ypey]

Jimmy akin also said Protestants are not anathema

[manny]

The thing with Benevacantists, is Benedict was quite lucid and functioning after his resignation. If he somehow didn't intend to resign, I have a very hard time believing he wouldn't have said something.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[pierreschiffer]

Since when does Akin care for being schismatic? I heard him talk about Protestantism as indifferent as can be.

[JohnHenrysaysHi]

Prayed in my Rosary! Thanks for yesterday's episode with John Doyle. It was good. However, the Jimmy Akin episode is my favorite of the year besides the Dr. Carrie Gress one. Please keep making segments! And please keep bringing Jimmy on! Thank you! Hope you and your family has a light-filled peaceful good day.

[asburyfox]

Sedevacantism has been defined as a particular theological position and group that the see has been vacant since Pius XII. It is not intellectuallly honest to say that those who believe that the see is vacant since Benedict XVI are the same. That the see is vacant since pre-Vatican II is one group. That the see is vacant because of Benedict is another. You can't use a theological name already defined for a particular postion/ group for another group.

[crownwire]

In the Vatican II religion, you can find salvation in literally any religion except for traditional Catholicism.

[Deuterocomical]

Oh boy, that thumbnail is going to attract some sedes to the comment section lol

[jkellyid]

I love these interviews. Thanks for the great work Matt.

Excellent camera setup BTW.

[bryanpeters]

Did we cover people who think Francis is not pope on the basis of he's a heretic? (Francis is not the pope because he's a heretic) I just wanna know whether to sit through a 45 hour interview or not. Thanks!

[WaterMelon-Cat]

What a joke. "If you use bribery to get elected, it is still a valid election, it just invalidates the bribery" 😂😂😂😂😂😭

[Migz]

Dont they also believe that the sacraments after v2 are invalid?

[djb]

"If you refuse communion with those who are in communion with the Roman Pontiff"
I'm curious whether or not this covers a lot more kinds of people than we might initially think. There are a lot of people out there who think Mass of Paul VI Catholics (normal Catholics) are untouchable.

[akaMakdaddy]

You asked me to leave a comment so here it is ..
This was weak, straw man argument. Mr Akin didn't represent the Sede view accurately ONE LITTLE BIT.
I predict with some certainty you will never again have Br. Diamond on again because he defends Sede position with well established Catholic ex cathedra papel teachings and teachings from the saints (like St. Robert Bellarmine). I have to admit I watch this podcast less and less due to these flagrant mis representations on this, the single most important issue of our faith. Here's a video link that describes the Sede view and the peace the Lord gives us with his truth.

[cardboardcapeii]

I think calling into question weather the pope is catholic is a valid question

[SalMichaelC]

@JimmyAkin knows andrea cionci's work and his book?

[DominicMazoch]

At the end of this he said something interesting.

If you reject Communion with the Pope, or any part of the Church in Communion wth Him, you are in a state of ecommunication.

So if somebody rejects a part of the Church because of a Missal or Rite aid they do not like, that rejection excommunicates one from the Church.

[apball]

I thought that you can automatically excommunicate your self “latae sentiaate”. And you don’t have to go through a canonical process…?

[AJMacDonaldJr]

We don't say "schism" anymore... we say people are in an "irregular" relationship with the Church.

[quisutdeus]

If you read Vatican II, you’ll see that even Schismatic and Protestant sects are “means of salvation” (which is heresy) : so if you adhere to Vatican II, why do you think being schismatic is bad?
Bergoglio said in his official “magisterium” that we should “esteem the indigenous mysticism”, so why are you mad at sedevacantists?

Do you believe that Francis (Bergoglio) is pope (and therefore infallible in his judgments on faith and morals)? :

"Now, all that is contained in the Holy Scriptures and in tradition, and all that is proposed by the Church as divinely revealed truth, either by solemn judgment or by her ordinary and universal magisterium, is to be believed with divine and catholic faith." (Dei Filius, Vatican I) = do you believe with divine and catholic faith all that Bergoglio teaches in his ordinary magisterium (Amoris Laetitiae, Querieda Amazonia, etc)?

"To Peter the Prince of the Apostles, the divine Founder of the Church attributed the gifts of inerrancy in matters of faith and union with God." (Principi Apostorum Petro, Benedict XV) = does Bergoglio and his predecessors have this gift of inerrancy in matter of faith and union with God?

"For the sake of faith and the rule of morals, God has made the Church part of His divine Magisterium and has granted her the divine privilege of not knowing error. This is why she is the great and sure teacher of men, and has an inviolable right to freedom of teaching. (Libertas Praestantissimum, Leo XIII) = Bergoglio and his predecessors have the divine privilege of not knowing error?

"It is for this reason that, by the virtue of His prayers, Jesus Christ Our Lord obtained for Peter that, in the exercise of his power, his faith should never fail" (Satis Cognitum, Leo XIII) = Bergoglio’s faith never failed?

And a few quotes from saints:

Saint Alphonsus de Liguori (The Supreme Pontificate):

"Those who introduce plague and ruin into the Church, who deny that the Roman Pontiff is the successor of Peter as regards authority in matters of faith and doctrine, or who affirm that the supreme Pastor of the Church, whoever he may be, can err in his judgments on matters of faith."

Saint Robert Bellarmine (De Romano Pontifice, chapter 3):

"The Supreme Pontiff cannot err in any way when he teaches the Church in matters of faith."

Saint John Bosco (The General Councils and the Catholic Church):

"It is therefore impossible for the Pope in matters of Faith to teach error, for it is impossible for Jesus Christ to lie, or to be unable to keep His promises."

Let's be consistent with the Holy Catholic Faith that the Lord passed on to us through His Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and which has been faithfully preserved by all the legitimate successors of Saint Peter.

To say that John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis are popes would be a great offense to Our Lord and His most Pure and Immaculate Church, or else it would mean that the Church has failed, which is a terrible blasphemy.

If Francis is not Pope (like his predecessors since John XXIII), then it is perfectly logical and pleasing to God to refute his errors, to recognize the invalidity of the sacraments instituted after Vatican II (apart from baptism and marriage), and to attend "non una cum" Masses ("not in communion" with Francis) because, to introduce the name of a notorious heretic into the Canon of the Mass is a sacrilege and a lie. 

Only "non una cum" Masses are pleasing to God, for they are the only ones that do not soil the Immaculate Lamb, the Bread of Angels, by adulterous communion with individuals who, concretely, do not have the Holy Catholic Faith.

[crusaderfilmworks]

The multiverse theory, which encompasses diverse iterations of Mary and Jesus, (this theory is completely anti-Catholic) is endorsed by Jimmy Akins. Nevertheless, his dismissal of fundamental Catholic tenets and the catechism disqualifies him from being a reliable authority on what constitutes Catholicism. I will offer prayers for his conversion.