Did the Church ALWAYS Believe in the Assumption of Mary? w/@JimmyAkin

A caller asks about early belief in Mary's Assumption into Heaven. Jimmy Akin gives the Catholic Answer.

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[SacredReason]

GLORY BE TO THE FATHER, TO THE SON, AND TO THE HOLY SPIRIT, ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. HALLELUJAH. AMEN.

[shanehanes]

Also, if one defends the early writing of the gospels and of the New Testament epistles, Mary’s passing from the world likely hadn’t happened until after they were written. Which would corresponds fine with John seeing what would come to pass in regard to the future for the Church in the book of Revelation.

[AntoMattekadan]

In Christianity
In Christianity the practice was adopted in the 3rd century by Eastern Christian monks, and various forms of the rosary were developed. In Roman Catholicism the rosary became a popular method of public and private prayer. The most common rosary is the one devoted to Mary, the Rosary of the Blessed Virgin, the prayers of which are recited with the aid of a chaplet, or rosary. The beads of the chaplet are arranged in five decades (sets of 10), each decade separated from the next by a larger bead. The two ends of the chaplet are joined by a small string holding a crucifix, two large beads, and three small beads.

Traditionally, the Rosary of the Blessed Virgin requires three turns around the chaplet. It consists of the recitation of 15 decades of Hail Marys (150 Hail Marys), each one said while holding a small bead. On the larger beads separating the decades, different prayers are said (the Gloria Patri and the Our Father) and particular mysteries are meditated upon. The 15 mysteries are events from the life, death, and glorification of Jesus Christ and Mary; they are divided into three sets of five—the joyous, the sorrowful, and the glorious mysteries. The introductory and concluding prayers of the rosary vary.

In 2002 Pope John Paul II added a fourth set of mysteries, the “luminous mysteries, ” or mysteries of light. The five new mysteries celebrate events in Jesus’ ministry, including his baptism; his miracle at Cana, where he turned water into wine; his proclamation of the kingdom of God; the Transfiguration, in which he revealed his divinity to three of his Apostles; and his establishment of the Eucharist at the Last Supper.

Virgin of the Rosary
Virgin of the Rosary Detail of La Vierge du Rosaire, Paris, c. 1490. This image of the Virgin of the Rosary depicts Mary, the mother of Jesus, standing on a crescent moon, surrounded by rosary beads.
The origin of the Rosary of the Blessed Virgin is not certain, though it has been associated with St. Dominic, founder of the Dominican order in the early 13th century. The devotion probably developed gradually as a substitute for the recitation of the Psalms or for the divine office sung by monks at the various canonical hours each day. It reached its definitive form in the 15th century through the preaching of the Dominican Alan de la Roche and his associates, who organized Rosary Confraternities at Douai in France and at Cologne. In 1520 Pope Leo X gave the rosary official approbation, and it has been repeatedly commended by the Roman Catholic Church. Since the 1960s, however, public recitation of the rosary has become less frequent. St. John Paul II’s addition of new mysteries, which are not required for reciting the rosary, was intended to revive interest in the practice; some traditional Catholics, however, rejected the new mysteries, believing that they upset the relationship between the original number of mysteries and their corresponding psalms.



In Eastern Orthodoxy the prayer rope predates the Catholic rosary and is mainly a monastic devotion. Rosaries of 33, 100, or 300 knots or beads are the common sizes, and they are used to count repetitions of the Prayer of the Heart (the Jesus Prayer). The Russian Orthodox vertitza (“string”), chotki (“chaplet”), or lievstoka (“ladder”) is made of 103 beads, separated into irregular sections by 4 large beads and joined together so that the lines of beads run parallel, thus suggesting the form of a ladder; the parallel lines symbolize the ladder seen by Jacob in his dream and remind the faithful of the spiritual climb toward greater devotion and virtue. In the Romanian church the chaplet is called matanie (“reverence”) because the monk makes a profound bow at the beginning and end of each prayer counted on the beads.

The Anglican prayer beads are a blend of the Orthodox and Catholic rosaries. They have four sections (“weeks”) of seven beads each, four larger “cruciform” beads separating the weeks, and an invitatory bead and a cross at the base. A prayer is said first on the cross and then on each of the 33 beads—33, according to tradition, equaling the number of years in Jesus’ earthly life—and the “circle of prayers” is typically performed three times (symbolic of the Trinity), making the total number of prayers 100, which represents the fullness of creation.

[DoingItTheHardWayAgain]

The same person who asked the question most likely believes that The Ark of The Old Covenant is preserved and protected miraculously by God.
Yet he or she refuses to accept that Mary was and is sinless as the woman created by God Himself from which His only begotten Son shall get His human body from is preserved and protected miraculously by God Himself.
Likewise she or he probably skips over the passages in Holy Scripture in which The Archangel Gabriel (messenger of God) addresses Mary. She or he probably skips over the passages in which Mary's cousin and child (John The Baptist) who are "filled with The Holy Spirit" (God) are jumping for joy as THEIR LORD in the womb of Mary approach them, they ignore all the passages showing how God accepts and communicates with Mary, they IGNORE & REJECT the veneration, love and respect shown to Mary by The Father and The Son.
They ignore the fact that Jesus NEVER disrespected His Mother, even when He didn't quite want to do something he did it when Mary asked Him to ("wine into water").
She or he also rejects all the passages CLEARLY defining Church authority and responsibilities on Earth and definitely ignore the fact that God's will shall be done on Earth as it is in Heaven and whatever the Apostoles bound on Earth is bound in Heaven.
Yet she or he most likely says "sola scriptura" in her or his ignorance.

Let us pray for all our brethren who have been mislead down the path of deception.
Especially in these times.
Ref: Romans. 'be the feet that God uses to crush the serpents head'..
WHOS FEET?
Wom is the letter addressed to?

Tenete Traditiones,
God bless.

[ScreamingReel]

According to tradition, St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, mentioned at the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles. When her tomb was opened at the request of St. Thomas, it was found empty (3 days after her passing). The Apostles concluded that her body was taken up to heaven.

The Counsel of Trent teaches all doctrines are passed down from the Apostles and the Church Fathers, none are new, reiterate that the 4 Marian Dogmas are not new. They were declared later but accepted from the early churches.

[RedRoosterRoman]

My favourite is canticles 1:3-4

your name is oil poured out;
therefore virgins love you.

Draw me after you; let us run. The king has brought me *into his chambers*

[jeffreybomba]

“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;”
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Actually that is a picture of the sky on the day Jesus was born.

“Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.”

You really have to stretch that as being taken into heaven.

[NUKE.]

How can we defend the statement that Rev 12 is "divalent" - that it could mean the woman clothed in gold is both our Blessed Virgin AND Biblical Israel ? Are there other Biblical examples of double meaning accepted by non-Catholics ?

[mjimmeye]

Wait, if the woman is Mary in Rev. 12:1-6 makes things more confusing.When John says ‘Then the woman fled into the wilderness… so that she can be nourished by God for 1, 260 days’

Is “The wilderness” heaven? If so does the Bible often use this analogy? When Jesus was “In the Wilderness” for 40 days was he just in heaven? That wouldn’t make for much of a temptation then. And was Mary only in heaven for 1, 260 days?
It would make sense if this is talking about them fleeing to Egypt in Luke 2.

[awjs]

If all public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, would Mary’s Assumption had to have been known by at least one of them? In other words this event couldn’t have just come to the Christian community by some post apostolic reasoning “connecting the dots”, but as a known event taught by an Apostle (e.g. John).

[EliteMedia-kjdc]

And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace

And those who spend [part of] the night to their Lord prostrating and standing [in prayer]

And those who say, "Our Lord, avert from us the punishment of Hell. Indeed, its punishment is ever adhering;

Indeed, it is evil as a settlement and residence."

And [they are] those who, when they spend, do so not excessively or sparingly but are ever, between that, [justly] moderate

And those who do not invoke with Allāh another deity or kill the soul which Allāh has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty.

Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated -

[vercingetorix]

Just feels like to hold this as a dogma, so the same level as the trinity, is odd. When you compare the absolute mountain of scripture and early church evidence for the trinity to the assumption of Mary which has only been relatively recently made a Dogma.

It also makes me worry about Dogma creep. Especially the new push to make Co-Redeemer the 5th dogma.

[kingoftheearth]

Look at Charles you say Elisabeth wasn't Queen... Look at Elizabeth you say her mom wasn't Queen? .... Pffft you have no idea how royal rank is passed through generations if you think Mary is not

[RobertWCornell]

Does it really matter? Only Jesus Christ matters, He is the Savior, Mary says this herself!

[gainsofglory]

Why would someone ask a question for evidence and then make a premise that there is literally no evidence?

Wtf are you asking for then? You just show that all the evidence you hear in the answer will go in one ear and out the other because you now have a premise to defend instead of a question to ask.

[AntoMattekadan]

Catholic answers, why do Catholics believe the assumption of Mary when the Bible doesn't teach it?
You can't go by anything outside of the Bible, especially when it opposes the Bible.
The woman in Rev 12 isn't Mary, the Catholic Mary isn't the Biblical Mary, Catholics make things up, things that oppose the woman spoked about is the state of Israel or jews from whom messiah (Lord and Savior Jesus Christ) was born.

[JC_Forum_of_Christ]

I think the mistake is with Revelations 12….

“And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12‬:‭1‬
This scene happens in heaven and it is with celestial bodies

[JC_Forum_of_Christ]

Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever. Hebrews 13:8
So if Marianism isn’t in the Old Testament then it’s not in the New Testament!!!

[nostalja]

Just another foolish Doctrine Jimmy is trying to defend through Scripture, sorry its not there. but like all the rest they can develop over time.

[reinhardfuchs]

No Mariologie from Paul etc. and nothing in 3 centuries