Fantastic Beasts Crimes of Grindelwald Ending Explained | Credence Theory

The Ending of Fantastic Beasts 2: The Crimes of Grindelwald Explained
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FANTASTIC BEASTS 2 - THE CRIMES OF GRINDELWALD:
The second installment of the "Fantastic Beasts" series set in J.K. Rowling's Wizarding World featuring the adventures of magizoologist Newt Scamander.
Director: David Yates
Writers: J.K. Rowling, J.K. Rowling (based upon characters created by)
Stars: Eddie Redmayne, Katherine Waterston, Dan Fogler, Johnny Depp, Zoe Kravitz, Callum Turner, Ezra Miller, Jude Law, Alison Sudol, Claudia Kim

#FantasticBeasts #Credence #CrimesOfGrindelwald #Dumbledore

Character List: Newt Scamander, Tina Goldstein, Queenie Goldstein, Jacob Kowalski, Gellert Grindelwald, Abernathy, Leta Lestrange, Theseus Scamander, Cornell Lestrange, Credence Barebone AKA Aurelius Dumbledore, Albus Dumbledore, Nagini
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[audreyraj]

I feel like the most simple answer would be that Grindelwald was lying about Credence being Aurelius Dumbledore. Percival Dumbledore died in Azkaban and Kendra Dumbledore died in 1899 after Ariana killed her, so there’s no way for another Dumbledore to be born that could be Credence’s age (I’m assuming late teens/early 20s) in 1927. While Grindelwald lying would be the most simple, Ariana’s Obscurus residing in Credence would be the most interesting and J.K. Rowling-like answer in my opinion.

[Grachiification]

"These movies are about how Dumbledore became Dumbledore"
Ok but what about Newt and his Fantastic Beasts?

[VikiShoo]

I laughed everytime the “are you my mother” came out HHAHAHA

[Kewlausgirl]

Grindelwald is lying. The parents were dead before Credence were born. The other obvious reason is because Grindelwald is in a way much more dangerous than Voldemort. He has a silver tongue. He uses your own weaknesses to his advantages. With Queenie he saw an opportunity to sway her to his side by saying she should be able to love freely, which Dumbledore even said to the minister that their strict laws are sending people right into Grindelwald's path. Every single moment that Grindelwald says something to his followers or before they follow him, is a lie, and it's all been using them for his own good. He even tells the auror (forgot his name) that kills the nanny "missing Credence" that its for the greater good and that he will be remembered in history. If that doesn't explain to people that this guy says what people want to hear and fabricates a string of lies... Then I don't know how clearer you can get without saying "this guy lies don't believe him".
Credence was told he is Dumbledore's brother which will fuel him to be angry to the family that left him alone.... And will therefore try to kill Dumbledore in revenge. It's the only way Grindelwald can beat Dumbledore. And Queenie was the opportune moment to bring a telepath to his side (forgot what that's called) and be able to read credence like a book and play him.
The phoenix part is a red herring.

[xxchoodxx]

“We all just stood there thinking this was gonna be like a marvel movie, with an after credit scene” 😂 trueee tho lmao

[clairefutrell]

Now that Queenie has switched sides, I predict she’ll marry a pure blood wizard with the last name Prince and she’ll end up being Snape’s grandmother. That would explain why he’s so gifted with blocking his thoughts.

[Theo-uwfh]

Credence is secretly Just Dumbledore and Grindelwald’s child

[elizabethdavis]

I thought it was interesting Grindlewald was expecting a girl as the obscurial and he was surprised that it ended up being a boy. I think Aurelius=Ariana makes more sense than a fourth Dumbledore sibling, but I'm sure there's more to the story than what we've seen so far

[sandracaraballo]

I like how Grindelwald (pretending to be Graves) thought the little girl was the obscurial in the first film, and wasn't interested in Credence at all and suddenly now he somehow knows Credence's secret identity.

[ameliavey]

J K Rowling is a savage writer.. "He's dead. He's very dead."
"I think you'll cry reading the seventh book"
😂😂😂😂😂😂

[KajsaBernhardina]

I hope Credence isn't their real brother, that would be too weird an addition to the canon. I hope we are just being misled. If he actually is his real brother, I hope he’s a half-brother, BUT EITHER WAY THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

[kevinbarreau]

Obscurus = Magical creature
Obscurial = Person who has an obscurus inside of them

[sabineb.]

I agree with "Let Me Explain" that Credence is not a member of the Dumbledore family, but he is carrying Ariana's obscurus for some reason. The obscurus was called something like a dark twin by JKR. This implies that it is sentient to a certain degree. Grindelwald may have been talking to the obscurus, when he said " your brother seeks to destroy you".Which immediately sends the obscurus onto a rampage btw.
Since Grindelwald was present when Ariana died, he might've enclosed her obscurus in a bubble - just like the one in Newt's magical suitcase. Maybe, the fight between Albus, Aberforth and Gellert Grindelwald which accidentally killed Ariana, , ensued over the attempt to extract Ariana's obscurus. Grindelwald may then have engaged in dark experiments with the goal to transplant the obscurus into another host, whom he could eventually control . Maybe, he used orphans for his experiments. In FB1 he wasn't even sure who of Mary Lou's adopted children was carrying the obscurus, and he learned only later that it is Credence. Grindelwald may have been the Joseph Mengele of the Potter-verse. That theory fits all the known facts, and we don't have the soap opera story of a long lost brother which would only work after major timeline corrections.
The phoenix, who allegedly gravitates towards members of the Dumbledore family, may have been attracted by the obscurus because he/it originated in Ariana Dumbledore. If it is like a dark twin, he might count as a Dumbledore. Grindelwald may have made up the name "Aurelius Dumbledore" because it's a credible name for a Dumbledore sibling. Actually, he almost ceremoniously baptises Credence with his new name by giving him a wand.
All this might sound outlandish, but is it really more outlandish than the concept of horcruxes? ☺

[farateacup]

wait.. “Credence, the OTHER boy who lived” AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHH

[njfranck]

There is no reason for Credence being a Dumbledore. The fact that a phoenix came to Credence can also be explained by what happened in the "Chamber of Secrets": Fawkes came to Harry Potter because he showed Albus true loyalty. In this case, the blood pact between Albus and Grindelwald can explain why this phoenix is helping Grindelwald. So the phoenix is appearing for Grindelwald, and not Credence, who just happens to stand next to him. But I guess we will only find out after the blood pact is broken.

[misskim]

I'm confused as well but I do remember JK Rowling said in one video that "whatever you see at the end of this film, might not be the case" so I guess Grindy is lying again to Credence to manipulate him. Remember, it was said in the movie that Albus was the only one who could be a threat to Grindy's plans and his only equal! I guess Grindy is doing whatever he can to manipulate Credence to fight Albus and defeat him since he too can't go against him.

[balue]

Does it bother anyone else that in the latest movie all the wizards wear muggle clothes. Like, they didnt even try with the wizard robes, just all suites and ties.

[Sindhuonmyway]

They already retconned McGonagall. She was born in 1935 godamnit. She was not a professor in 1927 and definitely not when Newt was in school. Argh come on JKR remember your own stories.

[kaleyelle]

I feel like Credence isn’t a Dumbledore, and Grindelwald is lying to him since he has a blood pact with Albus, so they can’t fight each other. But if Grindelwald convinces Credence that is his a Dumbledore and maybe that Albus knew and he can make Credence feel that his “family” hates him or doesn’t want him and can harness Credence’s dark force as a weapon to potentially attack Albus and the whole Magical Congress and Council. But I mean who knows with JK Rowling... 🤷🏻‍♀️

[nickinotbella]

I literally just left the theater and I'm just as confused as you are fam. My head hurts!!!