THE MOST BAD FAITH DEBATE I'VE EVER HAD

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0:00 Intro / Opening Statements
11:00 Birthrates & Happiness
23:33 Ab**tion
44:35 He Has No Policy Prescriptions
55:28 Ethics & Rule Utilitarianism
1:08:55 HE HAS NO VALUES
1:14:28 Primeval Logical Fallacies
1:20:00 Why Is Andrew A Fascist?
1:39:14 Back To The Debate Topic
1:49:59 Japan VS. United States
2:13:40 Andrew Doesn't Care About Studies
2:33:33 Post-Debate Analysis
2:43:53 The Wisecrack Debate Video

[Vaush]

0:00 Intro / Opening Statements
11:00 Birthrates & Happiness
23:33 Abortion
44:35 He Has No Policy Prescriptions
55:28 Ethics & Rule Utilitarianism
1:08:55 HE HAS NO VALUES
1:14:28 Primeval Logical Fallacies
1:20:00 Why Is Andrew A Fascist?
1:39:14 Back To The Debate Topic
1:49:59 Japan VS. United States
2:13:40 Andrew Doesn't Care About Studies
2:33:33 Post-Debate Analysis
2:43:53 The Wisecrack Debate Video

[JordoMIB]

Him trying to correlate childbirth to hapiness is already a stupd argument within its own right.

[SuffyANX]

3 hours of Andrew being the world's most effective one-man argument against the idea of humanity perpetuating itself, all while he angrily tries to argue that humanity needs to perpetuate itself

[loganmeyer]

The Alex dude tweaking out looking borderline suicidal in the bottom while the shitshow unfolds above him was very relatable for me.

[MrPersona]

It's "debates" like these that make me understand why vaush doesn't debate as much anymore.

[ColoredPatties]

This debate is a heavy reinforcement that conservatives are deathly allergic to nuance

[ジュレジュ]

I love it when religious people make something that doesn't *have* to be religious into a religious matter but then get offended when the debate becomes about religion as if they weren't the ones to make it about religion by using religion as a justification. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

[newworldbro]

bro you can’t call yourself “big papa fascist” then complain when people call you a fascist.

[DerPlaystationZocker]

Vaush:'names 6 policy angles to increase birthrates'

Andrew:'addressing climate change is the only thing you just said'

Vaush:'names like 7 more' "now I must have named at least 2 more lol"

Andrew:"No you didn't"

[SparrowNR]

The Andrew Method of Debate:

1. Ask a short question about a complex topic
2. Wait for opponent to begin a nuanced response
3. Interrupt and demand a straightforward answer
4. Wait for same opponent to resume or repeat their explanation
5. Interrupt again to ask a nitpicking question about a minor point opponent said, completely misunderstanding its context in the original explanation
6. Have opponent explain why the minor point is minor and try to redirect back to the original point
7. Interrupt again and accuse opponent of not answering the new question
8. Repeat Steps 2-7 until someone else steps in and changes the topic
9. Declare victory!

(Reposted from my comment on a notsoErudite debate months ago, because the same still applies here. It's helped me to process why Andrew is so frustrating as a debater. I'd make it a drinking game, but I don't want to die.)

[rudeboyjohn]

"I demand higher birth rates because it makes women happy!"
15 mins later: "I dont fucking care if it makes them happy or not, my GOD demands sacrifices!!!"

[starcatcherSEQUEL]

Andrew: LET'S GO THROUGH ALL 14 OF ECO'S POINTS TO SEE IF I SUPPOSEDLY AM A "FASCIST"
Vaush: Ok
Andrew: NO

[iamaesthetic]

Guy is so concerned with birth rates while simultaneously killing himself smoking nearly a pack of cigs throughout the course of this debate. The irony.

[thlitgods]

Andrew: *calls himself bigpapafascist*
Andrew: Why do people think I'm a fascist?!?!

[nailsbyrainbow]

I know so many women who had kids and became miserable. Saying babies make women happy is a ridiculous over generalization. Don’t even get me started on postpartum depression.

[EinZweid]

This was one of the most insufferable debates that I've ever listened to; I was physically, spiritually, and metaphysically exhausted by the end of it. 10/10

[PatrickWDunne]

Vaush: Each woman having six kids would be unsustainable

Andrew: QUOTE THE FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS

[rudeboyjohn]

Like every fascist, notice how its never about your answer. Its about making your opponent dredge through every bit of minutiae, every checklist, every semantic; and then drag you for "filibustering", and then derail to a different point. Its about the process of exhausting you. Its about frustration. Its about eroding your will to fight back

[soulreaver]

Andrew spends the entire debate asking Vaush questions and avoiding backing up anything he says when directly confronted THEN complains he never gets to speak. Amazin'.

[drewskt]

This debate is

Andrew: "Name 1 policy that could 100% solve all the problems of the world. Mine is we remove the separation of church and state. I have no data, I will never acknowledge that 'Christianity' would entail many policies. Vaush, name ONE policy"

Vaush: "It's clearly more than one policy"

Andrew: "See bro you can't even name 1 policy"

Vaush: "Here's a policy with positive results"

Andrew: "BRO it doesn't 100% completely reverse the issue I've pointed out, clearly my argument is best"

Complete clown.